Are we actually getting real close to the end of the age?

[Marilyn C]

3 hours ago, AdHoc said:

The word "perdition", which the Holy Spirit uses interchangeably with "The Lake of Fire" and the "Second Death" is also rendered "destruction". Even a cursory study of this word (I took Vine) will show that it means "lack of well-being". It has the sense of being designed for something but never fulfilling it. The Titanic was constituted to sail above the waves, no matter how big they got. But, though still a ship, it lies languishing beneath the waves. We are correct it we say she is "destroyed" though she is still a ship.

This is the idea of "destroy" in Matthew 10:28. That is also why the Bible never alludes to "annihilation". The wicked angels and men do not cease to exist. But they experience everlasting torment of both body and soul. Because we live in the age of grace we tend to think of God winking at sin. But the opposite is true. Look at the terrible price our Lord Jesus paid so that the Father could extend that grace. But if a man refuses or rejects Christ's work, the wages of what he did fall on him - just deferred. 

Israel is a prime example. The Covenant of Promise to Abraham applies to his "seed". Romans 11 says "ALL Israel" will be saved and Ezekiel 37 says this is the "whole house of Israel". Daniel 12:1-2 agrees, but the solemn truth is that men in resurrection can suffer.

1 And at that time ... there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. (Dan.12:1–2).

Verse 1 deals with the living at the Great Tribulation. They are delivered at Armageddon. But not ALL are delivered because the living at this time are the ones who agreed to installing the Beast in the Holy Place. Verse 2 deals with all Israelites who have died and who were circumcised. That is why it brings in the detail "many" - not "ALL" Verse 2 also shows that the second death - perdition - lack of well being - will be active in Israel after Christ's return.

Thanks Ad Hoc,

While I agree with most of your comment, we`ll just have to disagree (at the moment) whether the body actually goes to the `Lake of Fire,` literally and burns forever. Sounds like a pretty good body to be able to keep burning, ay?

So, is it an earthly body, a heavenly one, (spiritual Body like the Lord`s) or?

[Michael37]

7 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Thanks Ad Hoc,

While I agree with most of your comment, we`ll just have to disagree (at the moment) whether the body actually goes to the `Lake of Fire,` literally and burns forever. Sounds like a pretty good body to be able to keep burning, ay?

So, is it an earthly body, a heavenly one, (spiritual Body like the Lord`s) or?

Sentience is implied. Judgment, punishment, and confinement are applied in order to separate the holy from the unholy for eternity.

[Marilyn C]

44 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Sentience is implied. Judgment, punishment, and confinement are applied in order to separate the holy from the unholy for eternity.

Hi Michael,

Now that is a new word for me `sentience.` Thanks. 

[warrior12]

I stumbled upon an  Ai  discussion about a whistleblower who with three others left the Open Ai project.  They were engineers who was working on those things and saw the projection of what they called the Ai 2027 maturity or something to that effect.

You can read their projection on this site that the lead hand  has written about the forecasted turn of events.

visit  AI-2027.com             if intrested to glimpse the beast system manifestation growth IMO.

From my experience in life of the spiritual realm, this Ai is not just computer or machine learning morphing into superintelligence , but demon power in disguise.  Oh I wish , I could have lent you my last 23 yrs of what I have been through. Obviously I can't,  but just to say the Lord has let all these thing come to past, maybe to test the faithfulness of the saints, because Ai is not going away and the enticements will be desireable.  It will be similar to the MOB, if you are going to survive in the economics that will come to be.

Well as with the future, I could be wrong about Ai and this very soon events that will affect every human being on earth. It is a promise of upliftment and cures for many things, but it can also be doom as some experts predict.  

[NConly]

44 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

I stumbled upon an  Ai  discussion about a whistleblower who with three others left the Open Ai project.  They were engineers who was working on those things and saw the projection of what they called the Ai 2027 maturity or something to that effect.

You can read their projection on this site that the lead hand  has written about the forecasted turn of events.

visit  AI-2027.com             if intrested to glimpse the beast system manifestation growth IMO.

From my experience in life of the spiritual realm, this Ai is not just computer or machine learning morphing into superintelligence , but demon power in disguise.  Oh I wish , I could have lent you my last 23 yrs of what I have been through. Obviously I can't,  but just to say the Lord has let all these thing come to past, maybe to test the faithfulness of the saints, because Ai is not going away and the enticements will be desireable.  It will be similar to the MOB, if you are going to survive in the economics that will come to be.

Well as with the future, I could be wrong about Ai and this very soon events that will affect every human being on earth. It is a promise of upliftment and cures for many things, but it can also be doom as some experts predict.  

I think you are on the right track. imo AI needs a Lot of work before it can fool anyone into thinking its a person, In same story it will pronounce the same word two different ways and it tends to pause a lot in places where humans would not pause if the were talking or reading aloud. it has trouble pronouncing large numbers and dates also. it will be like all computer software released before the the bugs are worked out or founds now that is something to worry about.

[warrior12]

11 minutes ago, NConly said:

I think you are on the right track. imo AI needs a Lot of work before it can fool anyone into thinking its a person, In same story it will pronounce the same word two different ways and it tends to pause a lot in places where humans would not pause if the were talking or reading aloud. it has trouble pronouncing large numbers and dates also. it will be like all computer software released before the the bugs are worked out or founds now that is something to worry about.

Understood.

The human mind capacity to reason is mostly based on the tangible world that we are accustomed to.  In our objective thinking, a machine could never be able to have consciousness or then it becomes a living being, which is imposible.   

The spiritual world is different, in that what cannot be seen by humans , does not mean it does not exist. The manipulation that can and does happen in that realm is real and really cannot be explained by the ones who have been through the episodes and things of that realm.   

Well, we are bible belivers and we know satan does things in the spiritual realm and that also manifest in the physical too.  There are lot of things that people have written and expressed that they have witnessed that sounds weird and well not believed, but only them have that witness if they are speaking the truth or not.  I have come to the conclusion that only my testimony is the truth as I spoke it, others have to stand by theirs as they will have to give an account for what they have spoken about. 

Satan is the master deceiver and why was he given or allowed all this power to do things of such evil mangnitude is all in the Lord plan and wisdom. I can't answer that for sure.  We sure are approaching times that seems like sci fi stuff.   The saints have to be strong and stand on their faith, cause it is all that they have to withstand the powers that will be unleashed .  Sounds a bit harsh, but so it seems to me anyway. Or, maybe an utopia awaits the world.

[NConly]

33 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

Understood.

The human mind capacity to reason is mostly based on the tangible world that we are accustomed to.  In our objective thinking, a machine could never be able to have consciousness or then it becomes a living being, which is imposible.   

The spiritual world is different, in that what cannot be seen by humans , does not mean it does not exist. The manipulation that can and does happen in that realm is real and really cannot be explained by the ones who have been through the episodes and things of that realm.   

Well, we are bible belivers and we know satan does things in the spiritual realm and that also manifest in the physical too.  There are lot of things that people have written and expressed that they have witnessed that sounds weird and well not believed, but only them have that witness if they are speaking the truth or not.  I have come to the conclusion that only my testimony is the truth as I spoke it, others have to stand by theirs as they will have to give an account for what they have spoken about. 

Satan is the master deceiver and why was he given or allowed all this power to do things of such evil mangnitude is all in the Lord plan and wisdom. I can't answer that for sure.  We sure are approaching times that seems like sci fi stuff.   The saints have to be strong and stand on their faith, cause it is all that they have to withstand the powers that will be unleashed .  Sounds a bit harsh, but so it seems to me anyway. Or, maybe an utopia awaits the world.

 I read the link you posted and they say that AI -agent 1 has all ready learned to lie so that in itself will be dangerous.  Well we know it is going to get worse before it gets better and as you say Faith in Jesus the Christ is our best weapon against evil.

[warrior12]

plug the below lines in the youtube search box and watch a facinating Ai documentary.

 

You’re Not in Control—AI Already Runs the World. #sciencedocumentary

[farouk]

3 minutes ago, NConly said:

 I read the link you posted and they say that AI -agent 1 has all ready learned to lie so that in itself will be dangerous.  Well we know it is going to get worse before it gets better and as you say Faith in Jesus the Christ is our best weapon against evil.

@NConly Good to keep 'looking unto Jesus' (Hebrews 12.2), right?

[NConly]

5 hours ago, farouk said:

@NConly Good to keep 'looking unto Jesus' (Hebrews 12.2), right?

absolutely right