Are we actually getting real close to the end of the age?

[tatwo]

Just a last piece...

Most clearly see the eschaton completely differently than I have presented in this series of posted responses...and are prepared to contend for it...fine. However if they do not see the tribulation that is engulfing them today...and the increase tomorrow...and they do not know exactly what their Lord and Savior is explicitly telling each one of them...what is their tomorrow going to be like? The Scripture does emphatically tell us.

I am attempting to make known to whosoever will...the pleasure of the Fathers yearning and His desire for each one of you...that He has called and graced to be His inheritance.

The Sons of God...”Christ”...are being prepared and trained to go into what most call the tribulation...the great tribulation...the wrath of God and whatever...as “Christ the Son of the living God” He is eternal. That which can be shaken is anything that was created...seems to me that there would be a direct connection between that which cannot be shaken...and the eternal reality that is doing the shaking...hope I didn’t lose anyone there? Moving on...

God does not define death like the carnal, religious and immature do...I mean why would God have to remove His temple from the earth so that He won’t have to suffer...due to the shaking that He Himself is administering to His creation? That which cannot be shaken...is...the reality that is doing the shaking...right?

That is why those who often talk about things like...“not having to go through the tribulation” and “not having to experience the wrath of God” by being taken off the earth...are being so presumptuous.

The Son of God...Christ...is strengthened in tribulation and God is glorified in that...even unto the death of the flesh. Similarly how could the Body in which the actual presence of the Spirit of the eternal God dwells...in any way ever suffer the “wrath of God” that He is pouring out upon His creation?

That institutional thinking is inspired by darkness and believed by the unsuspecting.

Tatwo...:)

[AdHoc]

1 hour ago, tatwo said:

Let’s take an accounting of what Brother Vine Abider has listed in his OP entitled...“Are we actually getting real close to the end of the age?” in which he includes the entire world by extension.

His list reads...

Pandemic, a world that is changing rapidly, world wars, the United Nations failing and possibly increasing genocide, we live in a fallen world, Nations and whole continents are becoming increasingly paranoid, consolidating their power and resources to themselves, Much fear is in the marketplace, business leaders pulling back, uncertain of the future and unwilling, Economic wars can quickly escalate, become something more than just fighting with economic barriers and money, AI is beginning to say it could do a better job and is hinting it could take over when the time is right, Electronics and human brains are being integrated, Many look to an answer (ET) coming from the stars, People are greatly divided philosophically, religiously, and in many places racially, Faith in Christ has waned significantly, Society's morals have gone down the drain, fewer having much of God's light in them, The perfect "storm" is gathering, It seems we are on the border, close to the edge, and the levy can break about any time.

Listed above are roughly 22 signs and or effects of the times we are in today. I do not disagree Brother Abider...not at all. May I add something’s that you did not include?

We are in a global collapse of our nutritional food production system, potable water or water for irrigation is increasingly difficult to get in many areas, most western countries are in a medical crises of some type, the economic condition of the largest countries in the world are all flirting with disaster, inflation is increasing, stagflation is here, the move to “digital currency” CBDC or crypto currency all of which has been made programmable and is operational in several countries, globalization which has lead to astronomically increasing the wealth of the “1%’rs”, the increasing battle and movement from a constitutional republic or democracy to fascism bringing about a technocratic form of governance, and the greatest confiscation of wealth in the history of wealth transfers, an increase in both numbers and violence of natural disasters, and global climate change.

Now I have added 11 more plausible items to VA’s list...33 verifiable signs of the days in which we live with a slight look ahead. Yeh...do not be afraid just give that list another look...it’s not utterly comprehensive however, it produces a highly granular picture of life on earth today...and a brief hint of where it is headed from this point forward.

Seems noticeably different that just 5 years ago in my estimation...if we go back 10 years to 2015 again we see an obvious incremental change...change in what? I would suggest that the primary focus of all this change would be upon the human existence...plainly.

For the typical person...the accumulation of experiential effects of the 33 signs is not likely to be measured in terms of increased or improved health and wealth in general, or in a greater enabling of “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”  style of human existence.

According to the Lord Yahshua Christ all that we have mentioned here and more is set to increase...meaning that it has not yet reached its summit or pinnacle...right? Yet it has a reached a point where we [humanity] in the world are feeling the effects of its steady encroachment as Vine Abider and I have listed here. This is global in scope...continually expanding day by day.

So...is the Greek word G2347 “thlipsis” meaning severe distress, persecution, being under pressure or in a state of affliction whether physical, emotional or spiritual, experiencing trials and hardships, marginalized, imprisoned, martyred...a word that can be used to define the present state of the earth today?

I think it is reasonable to use the word “tribulation” as defined in the Greek...to accurately explain or define the human condition for increasing numbers on the earth today...don’t you? And please remember that this is set to continually increase unto utter destruction.

Perhaps there are those who do not see that the entire world has been thrown into a violent and turbulent epoch that is gaining intensity? May I suggest that this...by definition may be a delusion in and of itself?

If I were correct...then for those who do not see the gravity of the current global situation...and the near term future...what does and does not happen next...will take them utterly by surprise. They will not have prepared for it...but it will be their reality.

Tatwo...:)

You write very eloquently brother. I enjoyed your posting structure too - adding on to what or brother @Vine Abider said. I would like to add just one point. I'm not American but I can truthfully say that the 22 points are fully valid ... "but you ain't seen nothing yet ..."!  These are all things man has done. But wait till God adds His 22 points. The first Chapter of Romans says that a day is coming when the "Superpower" of heaven will hatch and execute a plan of devastation unmatched in universal history. The average age of men pre Noah was over 800 years. There was excessive violence in those days but an earth full of hybrid men made up for the death toll. The population at Noah's time must have been enormous.

Well did Jehovah make the window in the Ark look heavenward. Noah was spared watching maybe 10 billion people die. The stink alone must have been something. But scripture says that Jehovah has prepared an event taking 3.5 years that tops Noah's flood by far. Its Overdue ....

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, tatwo said:

The Son of God...Christ...is strengthened in tribulation and God is glorified in that...even unto the death of the flesh. Similarly how could the Body in which the actual presence of the Spirit of the eternal God dwells...in any way ever suffer the “wrath of God” that He is pouring out upon His creation?

Thanks for all the interesting things you've written! 

Two competing kingdoms on the earth - the kingdom of darkness and the kingdom of the Son of His love.  Yes, there is shaking going on and that will be turned up.  Why?  That men may repent and seek the free gift of God in Christ.

I see Revelation as a book conveying His love and the amazing victory in Christ we all (believers) inherit at the end.  Revelation shows the wonderful things in store for those who are part of the kingdom of light. It also shows the judgment and dire consequences for the kingdom of darkness and those who adhere to it.  But God's love dictates that the corrupting "cancer" must be eliminated so that the patient (mankind - His children created in His likeness) will live - many sons will be brought into glory!  Hallelujah!

[Vine Abider]

8 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

You write very eloquently brother. I enjoyed your posting structure too - adding on to what or brother @Vine Abider said. I would like to add just one point. I'm not American but I can truthfully say that the 22 points are fully valid ... "but you ain't seen nothing yet ..."!  These are all things man has done. But wait till God adds His 22 points. The first Chapter of Romans says that a day is coming when the "Superpower" of heaven will hatch and execute a plan of devastation unmatched in universal history. The average age of men pre Noah was over 800 years. There was excessive violence in those days but an earth full of hybrid men made up for the death toll. The population at Noah's time must have been enormous.

Well did Jehovah make the window in the Ark look heavenward. Noah was spared watching maybe 10 billion people die. The stink alone must have been something. But scripture says that Jehovah has prepared an event taking 3.5 years that tops Noah's flood by far. Its Overdue ....

Wow!  We really have little idea, do we!?!?  Things start with the natural calamities and then the supernatural woes get poured out.  All I can say is I hope to be part of the ones in Philadelphia at that time . . . (Rev 3:10)

[Marathoner]

4 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

There should be a balance I think.  No, it is not about being fearful or anxious, as we told by the Lord not to do that.  But there are also these things told us in scripture so we can have a basic awareness of what will unfold.  Of course, we are continually told to look away to Him and not be anxious, as it's in His most capable hands.  Watch & pray.

So no, we don't know for sure and just see these approaching events darkly and must wholly put our trust in Him . . . but, as He said, we can perceive the seasons changing and can prepare.

"encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching"  Heb 10:25

Understood, brother. It's worth sharing that I became accustomed to tribulation in this world. When the Lord revealed Himself and called me to Him, tribulation didn't come to an end by any means. There was a brief rest after He opened the vision of the Body of Christ, which immediately preceded being added to the Body. That period of rest and wonder, witnessing the breath of the Spirit, was what made the following 20 years a fiery trial that broke me until I was defeated. It was needful. 

Therefore, whenever I hear (or read) the words of those who strive to paint scenes of tribulation to come unlike anything witnessed before, I know better than to receive those words. Tribulation unlike anything witnessed before? It happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, my friend. The horror of what happened is unspeakable. 

I have watched men sleep in garbage, their bodies infested with lice, their skin covered in lesions. A man was dying on the sidewalk, and no one would come to his aid; when I came to him, it was perhaps too late. I never discovered the outcome after the ambulance took him away. One night, a woman was shot seven times on the street below my apartment balcony. A man passed away in the dumpster outside. 

For years there was a woman who would roam these streets at night, in the throes of withdrawal. She would cry and wail, and her voice never failed to capture my attention. It tore at my heart, and I wept with her.

Each and every day upon this earth, there is tribulation unlike anything witnessed before; very few witness such things with their own eyes. There is One who knows, and He saw fit to send me to places such as these, so I am acquainted with tribulation and suffering. It isn't yet to come, brother. Great tribulation is already here.  

[warrior12]

What is the saying about wine, it taste sweeter as it ages.   So the OP post in not about predictability or that sort, but just an awareness of the times in which we are living in.

Methinks, no one really knows the true timeline of those end time events.  A person though, especially an elderly beliver would definitely see a stark differance in the world from decades ago to now.  Sure, my argurment was and still is , what were those believers during ww2 had in thier minds,  probably "surely it must be the end ", but as we know time rolls on.

I would say though this last couple of generations has witness remarkable evolution so to speak in the knowledge and speed at which man has developed this world. With that grew a love for it and the race to get a piece of it for their survival and progenitors.  Belivers have read the contents of the word and can do some comparison, even if they only live in this generation.

Science and Technology has stunned this world into possible futuristic outcomes with technology that seems godlike, if I may use that word.  The promise of those techs that gives assurances of modifying our created bodies into other things , which is forbidden ,then leads to conclusion that the good Lord would not permit those things to materialize , as our bodies are the temple of God.  

Well, it's in the works and all I can say is pull a chair, who knows it could be tommorow it starts, or even as we speak or ???.

Just as a reminder, as those who know I write much about the spirit realm,  there are lots that goes on there that we cannot see, but is not recorded historically, as the saying goes, seeing is believing. The believer however know that scripture points to a spiritual world too that exist today.  Be bless soldiers, keep your armor on.

Edited April 17 by warrior12

[Marathoner]

There is a great darkness upon this world and yet, there is a Light which shines with a glory that is not of this earth. Triumph rises like the sun upon the darkest of places and during the darkest days, my friends. To the one who may proclaim that the Lord of glory has set a table in the midst of their enemies, I say Amen. He has indeed, and even more, for the sons and daughters of God grow and mature through trials and tribulations. It was said,

...strengthening the souls of the disciples, encouraging them to continue in the faith, and saying, “It is through many tribulations that we must enter the kingdom of God.”
(Acts 14:22 NASB)

When I was broken and defeated during the darkest of days, and this body was close to the grave, that Light which shines with a glory that is not of this world rose upon me. That was when I learned not to fear that which ravages or slays this body for even in my ruin, the Lord was with me. Be of good cheer, for He has overcome the world!

[tatwo]

17 hours ago, Marathoner said:

There is so much I could say, brother. Ah, but that was the value of the silence which affliction imposed upon me. While the Lord taught me how to speak again, He demonstrated the value of every word I speak or write. Weigh them carefully... use them sparingly... and remember who it is I serve. 

Yes...we must consider the value of the words we speak and write in the light of whom we serve who is likely speaking through our lives...and who it is that we are addressing. I have taught many in the temple of God these things over the years...this can be difficult to learn and may take years and exceptional experiences...but...you are right Brother and it is wisdom.

17 hours ago, Marathoner said:

This is a response to all of your posts to me, and it has been a long time since a brother came bearing words of the Lord. You have faithfully spoken forth something that I never told another living soul; it was what the Lord declared on that day when His work was finished, and I stood before Him.

This is humbling Marathoner...these words are “living water” to my soul...thank you for taking the time to express this truth to me personally. It is a welcomed affirmation from my Brother who has learned to speak the heavenly language. We are loving one another as we have been loved by our awesome Lord Yahshua!

17 hours ago, Marathoner said:

I gladly receive everything you give to me, my friend. It has been a long time since the Lord saw fit to honor me with waters of His Spirit flowing from the heart of my brother, and He knows my endless joy of receiving this water. The cup overflows, filling another vessel; there is nothing on this earth to compare to the Body of Christ. I am at a loss for words today. I am blessed by your gift!

I feel honored by you and your words here Marathoner...thank you and may “all the glory” go to the King of kings who is “worthy” beyond measure!

We are living in a “time” where...as the apostasy culls the flock if you will...that we can also see the Lord drawing together...His own. This is an invisible “Spirit” drawing of course...and it has no temporal boundaries...this is life in Christ the son of the living God...on earth.

This is eternal life being put on display at the very least in the temple of God...and perhaps there are those who do not comprehend “eternal life” just yet that may be viewing these posts. Eternal life has no expiration date...it existed before creation and it will exist after creation. Perhaps we can have a more detailed conversation about eternal life soon?

Thank you again my Brother for your life...you are enriching the Body of Christ with your life's awesome testimony! Our Father is pleased with the precious yet diligent and faith filled way that you have responded to this life's nearly unimaginable circumstances...it is in this that we can see the glory that He has put upon you...you are eternally loved! 

We are not done...for it is "us" who will bring forth the increasing appearing of the glorious Lord Yahshua Christ Himself...in our acceptable living sacrifices as we become the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature!

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

14 hours ago, AdHoc said:

You write very eloquently brother. I enjoyed your posting structure too - adding on to what or brother @Vine Abider said.

I receive your gracious affirmation with joy and humility Brother...especially in the light that I...and many others around here...who are constantly amazed at your ability to bring difficult matters into an organized and orderly presentation...of what you understand so that we can understand it as well. Thank you for the honor that you have allowed me here.

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

14 hours ago, AdHoc said:

I would like to add just one point. I'm not American but I can truthfully say that the 22 points are fully valid ... "but you ain't seen nothing yet ..."!  These are all things man has done.

True...true...the increase of mans folly in these last days will most assuredly give way to the unleashing of the full scope of the demonic hordes that will be sent forth as a final judgment upon a rebellious creation...most of which will take place on the earth.

14 hours ago, AdHoc said:

But wait till God adds His 22 points. The first Chapter of Romans says that a day is coming when the "Superpower" of heaven will hatch and execute a plan of devastation unmatched in universal history.

Yes and though it may be hard to believe...I have actually been given “some level or degree?” of vision and understanding of this...from the Holy Spirit...that are lifted out of the pages of Revelation and its attendant books. Though...whenever I have attempted to bring them forth they are immediately and patently rejected and I receive open rebuke...I am fine with this...but very careful about presenting what I have seen.

Not out of fear or embarrassment...no...crass as this may sound...it is the warning...“Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces”...that speaks to me here...this I have experienced personally.

I agree with your assessment AdHoc...“heaven will hatch and execute a plan of devastation unmatched in universal history.” What actually comes forth in terms of the specific details of this “plan of devastation”...and how...again as difficult as this may be to receive...is yet largely hidden behind the veil but...there are those “in Christ” who are being granted a “look” if you will...they are the “messengers.”

These “messengers” are not some highly exulted human...no. They are the servants of Christ and slaves to His Body...they are a grace from God to His family...they simply work and live as the workmanship of God...according to their call, obeying His will for them...always yielding to the presence of the Royal Priest.  

To the “messengers” it is granted to “deconstruct” that which has been hidden in God for long ages past. I am talking about “bread and meat” for the specific day...this is as the will of God rolls out of the heavens...think...“Your kingdom come. Your will be done, On earth as it is in heaven”...and into the...earth which is how our God and Father directs the affairs of His creation...these are the folks who declare...”this is that.”

I understand how foreign this may or may not sound to your ears...if you have the Holy Spirit...trust in Him for your understanding of anything I post...and go with that. But remember...the Holy Spirit of Truth is still revealing the divine and spiritual plans for His creation...to fulfill His original intents for creation itself...and it comes out of the Scripture as well.

Contrary to those who feel that “all as been revealed”...not all has been revealed...revelation from the Lord Yahshua comes forth as it is planned from before the foundation of the world...for the specific purposes He has set...and not until.

There is so much more to experience and learn concerning our Lord and Savior Yahshua Christ...and He is excited to reveal Himself but...He will only do so as the Body is of sufficient maturity to support increased revelation concerning Himself. He is of course a loving Father and He loves His Son. 

Tatwo...:)