What's in a Name? Yeshua, Yeshu, Iesu, Iesus, Jesus.

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, Orion said:

So, what I mean by saying "We have the moral law of YHVH written on our hearts, and we are to live according to it, which is the Law of Yeshua ha Mashiach", is that the Spirit within us guides us in loving God with our heart, soul, mind, and strength, and in loving others as God loves us.  Are we perfect? Not even close.  Do we stop loving because we are imperfect? Not a chance, because it is God indwelling us Who began a good work in us, which He has promised to complete (Philippians 1:6).  Peace 

Thanks for that reply!  The indwelling Spirit guides us and even supplies us to do it!  "For it is God who operates in you both the willing and the working for His good pleasure." (Phil 2:13)

[farouk]

12 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Thanks for that reply!  The indwelling Spirit guides us and even supplies us to do it!  "For it is God who operates in you both the willing and the working for His good pleasure." (Phil 2:13)

Similar to the thought in Philippians 1.6: 'He that hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ'.

[other one]

2 hours ago, Alive said:

What is your issue with will or should?

I happen to think that the simple English definition of the word believe is not enough to get a person saved.   One can believe Jesus is who he says he is and not submit to his lordship.   I have several Baptist brothers and sisters that use this to say believe is all it takes.   If you use the will (and some translations say shall) there is nothing else you have to do.   With the word should (literal translation is might not) and relates that there is more to it than just believing.   It takes action on our part and that goes against works not saving a person, so they fight it tooth and toenail.  I don't use Bibles that use the word will/shall, but in discussing it, for new people or seekers it makes them not trust the Bible at all.

This whole thread is putting questions of Bible reliability in the minds of new Christians and seekers. But I guess it does need to be discussed.

[Orion]

19 minutes ago, other one said:

I happen to think that the simple English definition of the word believe is not enough to get a person saved.   One can believe Jesus is who he says he is and not submit to his lordship.   I have several Baptist brothers and sisters that use this to say believe is all it takes.   If you use the will (and some translations say shall) there is nothing else you have to do.   With the word should (literal translation is might not) and relates that there is more to it than just believing.   It takes action on our part and that goes against works not saving a person, so they fight it tooth and toenail.  I don't use Bibles that use the word will/shall, but in discussing it, for new people or seekers it makes them not trust the Bible at all.

This whole thread is putting questions of Bible reliability in the minds of new Christians and seekers. But I guess it does need to be discussed.

I thoroughly agree with you re: Yeshua's Lordship. 

If we say He is our Lord and Savior, then we are acknowledging His Lordship in and over our lives.

When someone declares Him as Savior, but denies that He is Lord of their life, they have likely been taught the heresy of antinomianism.  And as far as I am concerned, antinomianism is just another word for condemned.  Peace

Edited April 24 by Orion

[Kirkwood Young]

On 4/25/2025 at 4:09 AM, other one said:

So we can't trust the Bible.

 

KJB is the only English Translation of the Bible that is Blessed by the Holy Ghost. Biblical Numerology proves it. The fact that it is constantly under attack, weather soft attack by scholars trying to cast doubt in the minds of young, unstable believers, the very Vibrations readers get from reading the KJB is Blessed by the Holy Ghost/ Spirit. When Preachers or anyone reads ANY other translations the Vibrations, the positioning of words, choice of words is all wrong. Think about it. I have heard the position of the earth from the sun, the position of the moon and the significance of Gods Precise measurements, then when it comes to His word which he honors above his name, so many of you are flippant, taking his choice of order and placement lightly, Just like the snake in the Garden. The Name for Salvation in ENGLISH is JESUS  with a J. I speak now as the Oracle of God.  If you are afraid to offend a stand on Gods word the KJB then sit and allow me to speak. The Roman officers went back and what did they say of Jesus. 

'The officers answered, Never man spake like this man. '

John 7:46
https://www.bible.com/bible/1/JHN.7.46

These days everyone has their own "opinion" while the word of God the KJB is being slighted, dismissed in almost every Congregation.

Seems Like everyone wants to over rule God.

Lastly :

God has several  themes in the World. All the important things in our world come in ones

One God, One Bible, one faith, one church, one baptism, one *Begotten son,

This is our Power this is Our Strength. When the world offers us Doubt: 

World and Non-Believers: Do you really think that Your God can preserve his word in one Book? We could accept that All translations "contain" the word of God. But "Surely" the manuscripts and time and the tyndale, wesscott and the fairchild's, the Rockeffellers, they are all more powerful than your God.

YOU: (sheepishly laughs) heh heh you have a point, we accept all discussions.

ME: YES GOD HAS PRESERVED HIS WORD IN THE KJB. PEROD! My God does the impossible. 

Edited April 30 by Michael37
Solicitation detected & removed

[Jaydub]

On 4/23/2025 at 5:52 AM, Orion said:

Pronouncing the Lords name YESHUA does not require learning Hebrew. It's very easy to say.  Go ahead. Try it.  YESHUA. 

If demons flee with the name Jesus, then there is power and authority in that name and excepted by God almighty. 

 

[Orion]

47 minutes ago, Jaydub said:

If demons flee with the name Jesus, then there is power and authority in that name and excepted by God almighty. 

 

No doubt.  Then you'll agree the same goes for when the name Yeshua is proclaimed, yes?

[Jaydub]

3 hours ago, Orion said:

No doubt.  Then you'll agree the same goes for when the name Yeshua is proclaimed, yes?

absolutely 

[TheBlade]

On 4/22/2025 at 7:59 PM, Orion said:

I completely understand the need to translate words from one language to another language. Some translated words are transliterated so that they have a similar sound, as with 'cat' in English is 'gato' in Spanish. 

And then there are other words that don't come close to sounding similar, as in 'water' in English and 'agua' in Spanish. 

However, when it comes to people's names, they are in large part transliterated, but not so with our Lord's name. 

Our Lord's name in Hebrew (יֵשׁוּעַ) is transliterated as Yeshua.  There has never been a hard 'J' sound in the Hebrew language. 

The Greek NT manuscripts all use the name Iesus for the Lord. 

When Jerome translated the Hebrew Aramaic and Greek into the Latin Vulgate in the late 4th early 5th century, He transliterated the Greek name 'Iesus' as Iesu.  

When Wycliffe translated Jerome's Latin Vulgate into middle English in 1382, he kept Jerome's transliteration, 'Iesu'.  

When Tyndale translated from the Greek into English in 1525, he transliterated the Greek 'Iesus.' As did Coverdale in 1539 (the Great Bible), as did the Geneva Bible of 1557, but the Bishops Bible of 1568 reverted to 'Iesu.' The 1611 KJB used 'Iesus.' 

The hard letter 'J' did not make its way into the English alphabet until 20 or so years after the KJB was published, but the figure we now call lower case 'j' was routinely used in print to denote the last digit in a Roman Numeral, such as Roman numeral 8, which looked like this: viij.

The Hebrew language did not and still does not have the hard 'J' sound. That said, the name (יֵשׁוּעַ) is easily transliterated into English as Yeshua.  

I for one am convinced we in the west, and elsewhere, are mispronouncing our Lord and Savior's name when we use a hard 'J' when saying Jesus. 

We could easily say 'Yeshua ha Mashiach' (Jesus the Christ), which is what our Lord was called by everyone in His day, and in the centuries that followed.  Shouldn't we do so, too?

Thankyou very much but the power is in the one that name belongs to. To many to count who never heard of Yeshua/Jesus yet Him saying "I am the way the truth and the life" Muslim man says "that means nothing to me" "I am Jesus". Be it Yeshua/Jesus demons flee lame walk dumb speak blind see dead live. There is no other name that can do this. 

Please no offense there are some that are Jewish and believers full of the holy Spirit know and speak Hebrew and Greek and know ancient Greek that disagree with you. 

To put my self out there.. I'm 64 yet walked with Him 50+ years and never once has He ever said "that's not my name". The one that comes close to this is when I was first saved.. haha found oh it was JESUS all the time. I kept getting this nice thought so sweet "what about the Father". 

We read Acts and think what? We "hear" from some that is not for today yet Acts is Christianity. That song.. He walks with me and talks with me.. He sheep know/hear His voice?  Does this help or divide? Those that weak in the faith .. does this add more burdens. 

I would say.. don't believe me. You seek you study you find this truth for your self. NO one has to believe anything I say. His word.. He speaks through it and also does more then we think .. speaks to us. Yeah.. seems He can do anything. 

[BibleStudent100]

On 4/22/2025 at 6:59 PM, Orion said:

Some translated words are transliterated so that they have a similar sound, as with 'cat' in English is 'gato' in Spanish. 

I am speaking as a person with a degree in linguistics here.  Transliteration is NOT translation, but rather when a person selects a spelling configuration designed to approximate the sound from the "original" language to a target language, even transcending languages that do not use Roman letters.  "Cat" and "gato" are not transliterations, but rather translations of a feline animal.  

Usually, we see transliterations when we see words that are "brought over" into English from languages that do not use our Roman letters (e.g. Japanese, Mandarin, Hebrew, Arabic, etc.).  

It is true that Jesus did not pronounce his name like we do in English now, but then again, are we even 100% sure of how he pronounced it with his own dialect of Hebrew (likely Aramaic), the language he spoke.  Remember, Jesus was from a provincial area, one that was not highly regarded by the elites in Jerusalem, and their different accent and vocabulary was different from what was spoken as a "standard" language in Jerusalem.  Remember this verse in Matthew 26:73:  "After a little while the bystanders came up and said to Peter, "Sure you are one of them too; for even your Galilean accent gives you away."  

Thus, how exactly Jesus pronounced his own name is uncertain and the same applies for the Divine name of YHWH.  What is important is that we use these names as they are pronounced commonly in our languages.