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1 hour ago, Alive said:

Is Israel or Hamas destroying in the Nature of the Lord…in His Name?

1 hour ago, Alive said:

1 hour ago, tatwo said:

Humans destroying each other in the name of the Lord is a satanic lie

Is Israel or Hamas destroying in the Nature of the Lord…in His Name

It is not both Israel and Hamas destroying.??

Do two wrongs  make it right!!

Political zionism does not stem from the Nature of the Lord Christ Jesus.

If it does not come from Christ Jesus, than it can only come from another place.

Christ Jesus said: you cannot serve two masters.

Matthew 6:24 ²⁴ No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

The True Nature of God is for us all: Jew and Gentile to choose by faith=faithfulness: the high road in Him and His Word. By faith and faithfulness towards Him and His Word.

Christ Jesus came to save the sick and He further said go research what that truly means.

Mark 2:17 When Jesus heard it, He saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Matthew 9:13 Christ Jesus said:

"But go and learn what this means: 'I desire Mercy, not sacrifice.' For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners". It's a quote from the prophet Hosea (6:6), suggesting that God desires compassion and kindness more than formal religious rituals.

The phrase "go and research what that truly means" implies that people should understand the depth and implications of Christ Jesus's message and the principles of salvation and reconciliation. It means that we are all Jew and Gentile=anyone not Jewish, sick=sinfull and in need of  physiscianMaster, Savior Christ Jesus.

 God through His only begotten Son Christ Jesus is our physician

 

Matthew 25:40

Jesus' statement, "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these    my brethren,   ye have done it   unto Me,"

[tatwo]

21 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

A principal in Judaism, as well as historically in Christianity.

In Romans 2...I see judgment...the first 10 verses appear to be continued on from chapter 1...and the subsequent verses seem to me to be a scathing rebuke of those who..."bear the name "Jew" and rely upon the Law and boast in God..." as Paul put it in verse 17.

Natural is antithetical to spiritual right?

Tatwo...:)

[Alive]

My question in response to tatwo referring to the destroying in Christ’s name, was to ask are they? Neither can be. They would have to be Christ’s for it to be true. This reality shifts the conversation away from Christians and puts it onto two parties that are not Christ’s.

I asked, “who is destroying in His Nature or Name”. This is impossible.

[Anne2]

1 minute ago, Alive said:

My question in response to tatwo referring to the destroying in Christ’s name, was to ask are they? Neither can be. They would have to be Christ’s for it to be true. This reality shifts the conversation away from Christians and puts it onto two parties that are not Christ’s.

I asked, “who is destroying in His Nature or Name”. This is impossible.

Similarly, I mentioned secular world, and natural law... I think it is similar anyway.

God Bless Alive 

[tatwo]

Alive...

I restated your question...then explained my answer look again and relax a bit perhaps...? Lets get through this.

Your question as I read it here..."Is Israel or Hamas destroying in the Nature of the Lord…in His Name?"...just the connotation of human life being destroyed...be it Israel comprised of its military [IDF and agencies] and civilian population...or Gaza comprised of its military [Hamas and its agencies] and its civilian population...leads me to believe that none of this is being done either in the "nature...or the name" of the Lord Yahshua Christ...emphatically no.

I explained my answer which is "no" where did I read you wrong?

Tatwo...:)

[Alive]

I have to move on for now….perhaps will continue at a later time.

[tatwo]

7 minutes ago, Alive said:

My question in response to tatwo referring to the destroying in Christ’s name, was to ask are they? Neither can be.

True...nothing I said was any different...in deed I went quite a ways to reveal the same...ok?

8 minutes ago, Alive said:

They would have to be Christ’s for it to be true.

Which I defined by character...they are not...ok? I used Romans 1 & 2 as the guidelines for my definition of who these people are...based upon what they do. They are all the enemy's of God save the remnant in Christ.

10 minutes ago, Alive said:

This reality shifts the conversation away from Christians and puts it onto two parties that are not Christ’s.

Israel and Hamas...Palestinians? Again I contended the very same thing...anyone who acts in the capacity of antichrist is antichrist and is being judged as such...now.

Perhaps our disconnect is that you do not see what is happening there in the Middle East and in an increasing multitude of other nations...as the judgment of God upon a rebellious sinful world? 

The OP was perhaps an outcry from the sanctity of life that is alive with in humanity in Ausie 52. I responded with understanding and really...in a matter of a few posts things seemed to become something like "don't blame Israel...its Hamas fault" in some way...folks feeling the need to defend and support the IDF and Israel and what looks like "merciless murderous" rampage of Gaza and the Palestinian people.

As I see it and I pointed this out as well...they are both engaged in godless destruction...I also laid out the "persona" of those who take sides...one over the other...in a battle of evil vs evil.

Tatwo...:)

[Anne2]

27 minutes ago, tatwo said:

In Romans 2...I see judgment...the first 10 verses appear to be continued on from chapter 1...and the subsequent verses seem to me to be a scathing rebuke of those who..."bear the name "Jew" and rely upon the Law and boast in God..." as Paul put it in verse 17.

Natural is antithetical to spiritual right?

Tatwo...:)

Imo spiritual in this aspect is about faith in receiving a future inheritance. 

I believe the historical doctrine of natural law is based upon how he made man (as distinct from animals). Pretty sure but not absolutely positive....

Ge 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Ge 5:1  This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Ge 5:3  And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
 

Ro 10:17  So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

 

[Tristen]

Until all hostages are returned - I'm not sure there is any basis for a conversation.

You can't presume to start a war, then try to call the war off when things don't go your way (all-the-while, keeping/murdering the hostages kidnapped during the terrorist attack). Yes, civilians get killed in war - that's why most of us are reluctant to start wars (unless you actually want your civilians getting killed as part of a propaganda strategy).

Hamas is the elected government of Gaza. The elected government of Gaza staged an horrific terrorist attack against Israeli civilians - of such an atrocious magnitude that it left the nation of Israel with no reasonable option but to destroy Hamas. No sensible government could allow such a threat to continue to exist across a neighboring border. The fact that Hamas uses civilians as shields is a problem only Gazans can solve - if they are courageous and willing. 

The accountability for anything that happens in Gaza as a response to the still-unresolved 'October 7th' barbarity belongs exclusively to Hamas.

 

[tatwo]

15 hours ago, Anne2 said:

Imo spiritual in this aspect is about faith in receiving a future inheritance. 

And there is that...I too am thankful for that as well...but...look at some verses that apply to the blessing and honestly some necessary advantages of progressively taking on some elements of that future inheritance as you grow and mature in this life...right now...today. First lets establish the inheritance and the receiving of it...[emphasis and commentary mine]

“In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, [for those who have received the Holy Spirit in their human spirit] who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, [a down payment one might say] with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, [the “called and chosen” are being redeemed to God’s purpose for them] to the praise of His glory.” Ephesians 1:13-14 NASB

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, [“who has” we can avail ourselves of this aspect of our inheritance...”every spiritual blessing”] just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, [similar to the “Lamb of God”...this speaks to our eternal existence] that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons [before creation was put in place] through Jesus Christ to Himself, [we become mature sons of God the Father...”in Christ.”] according to the kind intention of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.” Ephesians 1:3-6 NASB

Ephesians 1:18-21 and Paul’s prayer for us...“I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, [the soul responding to the presence of the Holy Spirit] so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, [the Lord’s unique love and calling of each of us] what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, [He considers us His inheritance] and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. [His favor and power to those whom respond in obedience to His calling] These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might [Something only God can do...His grace] which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,[the Lord Yahshua Christ is upon the throne of God] far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.”[He...will rule in this age and the next age]

“But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,  even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ [Salvation...the Holy Spirit drew us “into Christ”...we are “in Christ”] (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,[He is seated upon the throne of God and those of us being “in Christ”...are there also] so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.” Ephesians 2:4-7 NASB

“Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, [in Christ] keep seeking the things above, [in the heavenlies] where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. [Right hand...symbolic of all authority and power...those “in Christ” are seated upon the throne of God...“in Christ”] Set your mind on the things above, [heavenly and spiritual] not on the things that are on earth. [worldly and carnal] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. [this is upon the Throne of God] When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.” [at the end of the age] Colossians 3:1-4 NASB

This was just a “quick hitter” Anne2...in regards to our inheritance, how we obtain it, what it means to “be obtaining” it, how by faith...we may operate in that part of our inheritance we have received...to the end that we grow and mature spiritually to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

This is now...for those who are “called”...are “called from eternity”...spiritually alive in Christ today...living on this earth...just think about that for a few moments...and we are merely passing through on our way to the next age. We have some “clean up” if you will...to attend to here in this creation yet and we are.

This is a “Spirit” reality Anne...not a fleshly reality...we do not allow the world to inform our decisions via the 5 senses...no...that is what the worldly, spiritually immature, and the carnal do.

For those who have the Holy Spirit indwelling their human spirit...they have access to the “seven Spirits of God” which light the darkness and we can read in Isaiah 11 about them...let’s have a look.

(1) The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him, (2)The spirit of wisdom and (3)understanding, The spirit of (4)counsel and (5)strength, The spirit of (6)knowledge and the (7)fear of the LORD. 

These are the seven Spirits of God [Revelation 4:5]...perhaps the word “characteristics” of the Holy Spirit clarifies it some? Now for the short course on the purpose and how to use these elements of our inheritance...Isaiah 11:3 once again...

“And He will not judge by what His eyes see, Nor make a decision by what His ears hear” you see to make judgments by what the “eyes see and the ears hear”...is a reference to the fleshly and carnal human reasoning...which is limited to our temporal existence on earth when we use them.

However...we are “called” to the higher order of life...eternal life in the Holy Spirit...while living on the earth today in our fleshly bodies. This is why we need to learn to avail ourselves...by a growing faith...of the “Seven Characteristics of the Holy Spirit” informing our human spirit by the "eternal judgment"...that we can access in the mind of God...via the Holy Spirit.

There is the distinct probability that you and many others have never been told these things in this way...and there is an obvious reason for that...I will not go into that here.

My point Anne2 is...the concept of “flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God” means right now today. We inherit the Kingdom of God via Holy Spirit and we then learn to live our days under His loving influence as He raises us up into mature sons of God to be revealed just before the end of the age. Everything else will end in disappointment.

History is done...it has been written...its over...though we have some of it as a record for our benefit. Our eternal existence is "outside of time" Sister...I truly hope you and many others find your way here.

If I may be of assistance...let me know?

Tatwo...:)