What is our Inheritance?

[AdHoc]

On 6/17/2025 at 7:23 AM, Marilyn C said:

What is our Inheritance?

We know that Christ has redeemed us and is sanctifying us and making us like unto Himself, however, what is our inheritance?

With scriptures, please.

 

On 6/18/2025 at 1:19 AM, Marilyn C said:

Morning Dennis,

What is the `cricket chirping?` And some good scriptures there -Eph. 1: 4      3: 6

I agree with some of what you wrote - `sharing all things in Christ...` but not all `the promises to Abraham.` You see he was promised the land of Israel. We are not privy to that. He was also promised the city which will come down out of heaven from God. We are not in that city. (Heb. 11: 9,  16)

If we examine inheritance in the Old Testament it refers almost exclusively to the Land of Canaan. The priesthood, having no inheritance in Land, inherit God Himself and a tithe of all Israel (Numbers 18, 26)

Abraham initially received this inheritance, but after passing a threefold test of not taking earthly wealth at the hand of the Canaanite, and for the willingness to offer his son Isaac, the promise of inheritance was extended to the whole world (Rom.4:13). Since the world is made and owned by Jehovah, and an inheritance is the passing of the father's goods to His sons, Abraham and his seed via Isaac and then Jacob are promised the earth. To Abraham is promised THREE seeds; 
1. A Seed (singular) Who would inherit all
2. Seed as the stars of heaven which would be part of a heavenly calling and have celestial glory (Heb.3:1, 1st Cor.15:40)
3. Seed as the sand of the seashore which would inherit Canaan and which would have Terrestrial glory 

After the NATION of Israel refused the King, refused the law and provoked God to remove them, they forfeit the earth (Matt.21:43). The criteria for inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven/God is rebirth and Baptism (Jn.3:3-5). Israel will receive the Land of Caan to dwell in, but Christians will rule them - namely David (jer.30:9) and the twelve Apostles (Matt.19:28)

Of the rest of Christians, a small minority who EARNED it by their works, will rule cities of the heathen (Lk.19:17-19). In one single event, that of the rich young man, is the whole matter pictured. He seeks to HAVE eternal life. The Lord Jesus assures him that he HAS eternal life by recognizing the deity of Jesus. But salvation and rebirth are one thing and INHERITING eternal life is another. To ENTER eternal life WORKS are required. Until Moses "walking with God" was needed. From Moses to John Baptist keepng the Law was needed. From John to the rapture refusing earthly reward is needed. ENTERING LIFE is used interchangeably with ENTERING the Kingdom of Heaven (when it comes to earth) and being SAVED.

Being saved from the consequences of sin is one thing. Being saved fully is when a saved man is elected to ENTER the Kingdom as a ruler of cities. The WORKS required are to show you a GOOD STEWARD - a self denying king of a city. A slothful Christian is saved from the Second Death, but will lose hs INHERITANCE - to be king on the earth in Christ's KINGDOM.

We are chosen as  Priest - Kings. In or ministry as Priests we inherit God: As Kings we inherit the earth. Salvation is by FAITH. INHERITING is by WORKS. HAVING eternal LIFE is by FAITH. ENTERING Life is by WORKS. Many are called - few are chosen. 600,000 Israelites left Egypt for their inheritance. TWO made it in. All were Israelites - that is, their BIRTH was correct. ALL had the promises of Abraham. ALL ate manna (spiritual food), ALL were saved from the angel of death. ALL ate the Lamb. TWO INHERITED!

[Marilyn C]

5 hours ago, AdHoc said:

 

If we examine inheritance in the Old Testament it refers almost exclusively to the Land of Canaan. The priesthood, having no inheritance in Land, inherit God Himself and a tithe of all Israel (Numbers 18, 26)

Abraham initially received this inheritance, but after passing a threefold test of not taking earthly wealth at the hand of the Canaanite, and for the willingness to offer his son Isaac, the promise of inheritance was extended to the whole world (Rom.4:13). Since the world is made and owned by Jehovah, and an inheritance is the passing of the father's goods to His sons, Abraham and his seed via Isaac and then Jacob are promised the earth. To Abraham is promised THREE seeds; 
1. A Seed (singular) Who would inherit all
2. Seed as the stars of heaven which would be part of a heavenly calling and have celestial glory (Heb.3:1, 1st Cor.15:40)
3. Seed as the sand of the seashore which would inherit Canaan and which would have Terrestrial glory 

After the NATION of Israel refused the King, refused the law and provoked God to remove them, they forfeit the earth (Matt.21:43). The criteria for inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven/God is rebirth and Baptism (Jn.3:3-5). Israel will receive the Land of Caan to dwell in, but Christians will rule them - namely David (jer.30:9) and the twelve Apostles (Matt.19:28)

Of the rest of Christians, a small minority who EARNED it by their works, will rule cities of the heathen (Lk.19:17-19). In one single event, that of the rich young man, is the whole matter pictured. He seeks to HAVE eternal life. The Lord Jesus assures him that he HAS eternal life by recognizing the deity of Jesus. But salvation and rebirth are one thing and INHERITING eternal life is another. To ENTER eternal life WORKS are required. Until Moses "walking with God" was needed. From Moses to John Baptist keepng the Law was needed. From John to the rapture refusing earthly reward is needed. ENTERING LIFE is used interchangeably with ENTERING the Kingdom of Heaven (when it comes to earth) and being SAVED.

Being saved from the consequences of sin is one thing. Being saved fully is when a saved man is elected to ENTER the Kingdom as a ruler of cities. The WORKS required are to show you a GOOD STEWARD - a self denying king of a city. A slothful Christian is saved from the Second Death, but will lose hs INHERITANCE - to be king on the earth in Christ's KINGDOM.

We are chosen as  Priest - Kings. In or ministry as Priests we inherit God: As Kings we inherit the earth. Salvation is by FAITH. INHERITING is by WORKS. HAVING eternal LIFE is by FAITH. ENTERING Life is by WORKS. Many are called - few are chosen. 600,000 Israelites left Egypt for their inheritance. TWO made it in. All were Israelites - that is, their BIRTH was correct. ALL had the promises of Abraham. ALL ate manna (spiritual food), ALL were saved from the angel of death. ALL ate the Lamb. TWO INHERITED!

Hi Ad Hoc,

Nice to discuss again. You, as usual have written quite a lot of good comments. Thank you. Good detail there and I was especially pleased that you mentioned the `as the stars... & as the sand.` Not many know about that. 

Just one point. Why do you think that we are those that the Lord talked about - good stewards for ruling cities when the Body of Christ was NOT revealed till the Lord ascended and told Paul? (Eph. 3: 2 - 7)

[AdHoc]

7 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Ad Hoc,

Nice to discuss again. You, as usual have written quite a lot of good comments. Thank you. Good detail there and I was especially pleased that you mentioned the `as the stars... & as the sand.` Not many know about that. 

Just one point. Why do you think that we are those that the Lord talked about - good stewards for ruling cities when the Body of Christ was NOT revealed till the Lord ascended and told Paul? (Eph. 3: 2 - 7)

You have asked your question cleverly (as I have come to appreciate your astuteness). You have made it an issue of the "Body of Christ". If I answer you directly I support your hidden question, and if I answer you without dealing directly with the body of Christ, I diminish my answer. I will answer thus: I will show that ruling is a matter of the KINGDOM first and the EKKLESIA second with the Body being one of four issues of the purpose of man.

In Genesis 1:26-28 man is PLURAL. "Them" supports this. In short God's plan with man is with CORPORATE man. This plurality leads us to the word "Ekklesia" meaning a "GATHERING of to called out ones". This gathering is revealed to achieve FOUR things:

1. Be the BODY of Christ for a visible expression of His glory
2. Be a BRIDE for it is not good for a Man (Jesus) to be alone
3. Be a DWELLING on earth not made with hands
4. Be an agent of GOVERNMENT to replace a previous government which failed

Your question asks why point number 1 sets forth the qualification of king when it was hidden until Paul's ministry. But you should ask that of question 4. And then the question is answered simply. The Kingdom is preached starting from John Baptist (Matt.11:12-14). The mystical BODY of Christ is announced later, as you have correctly maintained. So also is the Bride. Notice that Christ's parables do not mention the Bride - only the guests.

So my sister, I am not authorized to change your question, but if you allow, I will answer why kings are revealed in Luke 19. It is a logical ending to the Kingdom being preached. You see, your question is essentially not wrong. The Body of Christ will rule, but in God's purpose the Body is to turn the Head's communication into a visible action. This is achieved by the LIFE in both parts being common. But Government is a matter of POWER. In John the entry into the kingdom is by a new birth (Jn.3:3-5). This birth imparts a new LIFE (Jn.3:16). But in Matthew 7:21-23 entry into the Kingdom is by DOING (WORKS) in obedience to God. The Body of Christ displays Christ's LIFE and is constructed on resurrection day (Jn.20:22). The Kingdom is revealed earlier by Christ casting out demons. That needed POWER (Lk.4:14).

[Marilyn C]

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

 I will answer thus: I will show that ruling is a matter of the KINGDOM first and the EKKLESIA second

Hi bro Ad Hoc,

I actually didn`t have a `hidden question`. However, because of different views it could appear that way. But to me – no hidden agenda.

I have carefully read your comments and now would make my own and ask questions.

 First – I agree that (righteous) ruling is a matter of God`s Great Kingdom. And we know that Jesus is the only Worthy One to receive all authority and power over it from the highest heaven to the earth. He made it all and He alone is sovereign ruler.(Col. 1: 16   Eph. 1: 20 – 22)

 And all other authorities are delegated by the Lord and come under Him. (I think we can agree there.) So Christ`s rule is front and foremost.

Second -you say is the Body of Christ. I agree for we will be ruling and reigning with Christ on His own throne in the highest. (Rev. 3: 21   4: 2 – 6)

 

[Marilyn C]

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

with the Body being one of four issues of the purpose of man.

In Genesis 1:26-28 man is PLURAL. "Them" supports this. In short God's plan with man is with CORPORATE man. This plurality leads us to the word "Ekklesia" meaning a "GATHERING of to called out ones".

It is at this point that you jump from man in Genesis to the Body of Christ – 4,000 years later. You missed what God was doing throughout those centuries. So, let`s have a look.

1.     God made man to have dominion over the earth. (Gen. 1: 28) Man failed but because of Christ`s sacrifice mankind will still go onto the new earth. (Rev. 21: 24) to fulfill that purpose.

2.     God made man to rule over others. (Gen. 9: 5 & 6)

God made Israel to rule over the nations but when they failed God gave the Gentiles the opportunity to rule righteously – the Times of the Gentiles(ruling). (Dan. 2: 37 – 43)

However, God is omniscient and knew that man would fail but man needed to realize his inability. Thus, we know that because of Christ`s sacrifice Israel will be turned to Him and will rule righteously over the nations in the millennium and on the new earth.

The Old Testament saints were promised the city and will rule from there in the universal realm over the new earth. (Heb. 11: 16   Rev. 21: 2)

 

3. God made man to rule with Him on His own throne in the highest. (Rev. 3: 21   4: 2 – 6) This group is called the Body of Christ – called out of the nations and out of Israel.

 

[Marilyn C]

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

. This gathering is revealed to achieve FOUR things:

1. Be the BODY of Christ for a visible expression of His glory
2. Be a BRIDE for it is not good for a Man (Jesus) to be alone
3. Be a DWELLING on earth not made with hands
4. Be an agent of GOVERNMENT to replace a previous government which failed

Your question asks why point number 1 sets forth the qualification of king when it was hidden until Paul's ministry. But you should ask that of question 4. And then the question is answered simply. The Kingdom is preached starting from John Baptist (Matt.11:12-14). The mystical BODY of Christ is announced later, as you have correctly maintained. So also is the Bride. Notice that Christ's parables do not mention the Bride - only the guests.

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It is this group, the Body of Christ that you say is revealed to achieve 4 things.

1. Be the Body of Christ for a visible expression of God`s glory. You say it sets forth the  qualification of a king when it was hidden from until Paul`s ministry.

Yes, the Body of Christ will reveal God`s glory (also) when it is in glory with Him.

2. Be a Bride for it is not good for a Man (Jesus) to be alone. Jesus is never alone for He and the Father are one, in unity, equal and of the same mind. In the Godhead there is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus is NOT alone.

The symbol of the bride/wife was used by God to reveal to Israel His relationship with them. He is their husband (master) and they are as a wife. (Isa. 54: 5 & 6)

Jesus came to Israel as the Bridegroom, for they are symbolically His wife/bride.

 

 

[Marilyn C]

16 hours ago, AdHoc said:

 

So my sister, I am not authorized to change your question, but if you allow, I will answer why kings are revealed in Luke 19. It is a logical ending to the Kingdom being preached. Y

 

So now we get to those pictured in the parable as ruling in Luke 19: 11 – 27) Jesus was speaking to the people of Israel who thought the kingdom rulership of God would appear immediately. (Luke 19: 11)

However, in Jesus` parable we see that the `nobleman had to go away to receive his rulership (kingdom rule) and it was when he returned he addressed his servant to whom he had given money to invest. Those who traded well would have authority over cities. (Luke 19: 17) Those who didn`t trade at all even lost what was given.

The enemies were slain before the nobleman because they did not want him to reign over them. (Luke 19: 27)

This parable clearly describes the Lord`s coming to Israel and giving authority to those servants of His who were `faithful in what was given,` (Luke 19: 17) The citizens, (Gentiles) who did not want the Lord to rule over them were slain. (Zech. 14: 12)

 

 

 

[Marilyn C]

16 hours ago, AdHoc said:

.You see, your question is essentially not wrong. The Body of Christ will rule, but in God's purpose the Body is to turn the Head's communication into a visible action. This is achieved by the LIFE in both parts being common. But Government is a matter of POWER. In John the entry into the kingdom is by a new birth (Jn.3:3-5). This birth imparts a new LIFE (Jn.3:16). But in Matthew 7:21-23 entry into the Kingdom is by DOING (WORKS) in obedience to God. The Body of Christ displays Christ's LIFE and is constructed on resurrection day (Jn.20:22). The Kingdom is revealed earlier by Christ casting out demons. That needed POWER (Lk.4:14).

From here on you seem to muddle up Israel and the Body of Christ. Both will rule in God`s great kingdom. Yes, Life is through the new birth for Israel when the Lord reveals Himself to them, (Zech. 12: 10) and for us in this time now.

And for Israel entrance into the millennial kingdom rule of the Lord is by doing works in obedience to God, as you said, (Matt. 7: 21 – 23) But for those in the Body of Christ it is by FAITH that we will reign with Christ in the highest.

As to government I agree it is a matter of power but also authority. Christ certainly revealed His power over demons, nature, sickness, disease.

Not sure what you mean by `resurrection day (Jn 20: 22?)`

 

 

 

[AdHoc]

16 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

From here on you seem to muddle up Israel and the Body of Christ. Both will rule in God`s great kingdom. Yes, Life is through the new birth for Israel when the Lord reveals Himself to them, (Zech. 12: 10) and for us in this time now.

And for Israel entrance into the millennial kingdom rule of the Lord is by doing works in obedience to God, as you said, (Matt. 7: 21 – 23) But for those in the Body of Christ it is by FAITH that we will reign with Christ in the highest.

As to government I agree it is a matter of power but also authority. Christ certainly revealed His power over demons, nature, sickness, disease.

Not sure what you mean by `resurrection day (Jn 20: 22?)`

 

 

 

I'll just comment on two points where we are totally opposite.

In the matter of Bride/Wife for Jesus you will notice that I said the MAN Jesus. You answered "The Godhead". Your right to do this, but no conclusion can ever be achieved. No problem. I'm happy to leave it unsolved.

In the matter of Luke 19 you made "servants" Israel, and "citizens" the Church. How so?
1. It was Israel that rejected the Lord as their King.
2. A KINGDOM has citizens. The Church has a Head and is a Body.
3. Gifts were given to the Church. Chastisement is Israel's portion. If you don't believe the prophets, look at history
4. Israel is the context - Zacchaeus. But Zacchaeus speaks of the Israelite REMNANT who keep the Law and are saved as a household (Deut.30:1-5). Look at Daniel 12:1-2 for Israel's condition after they are restored. Zacchaeus does not "sell ALL" like the man aspiring to the kingdom of Heaven in Matthew 19. Zacchaeus is in the Fig Tree, not the Kingdom. Israel never believe and thus the rebirth is forever missing - therefore, no ENTRY into the Kingdom (Jn.3:3-5). The case of Zachaeus pointedly shows Jesus NOT taking the Kingdom though He was rightful KING (of Israel). Jesus, far from taking His Throne in Jerusalem, goes on a long journey.
5. The "servants" get to rule. The cities are the heathen and the citizens are Israel.

The whole matter of Luke 19 shows Servants receiving Gifts and Citizens rejecting their King.

I respectfully declare that we will never reach consensus this way.

[Marilyn C]

5 hours ago, AdHoc said:

I'll just comment on two points where we are totally opposite.

In the matter of Bride/Wife for Jesus you will notice that I said the MAN Jesus. You answered "The Godhead". Your right to do this, but no conclusion can ever be achieved. No problem. I'm happy to leave it unsolved.

In the matter of Luke 19 you made "servants" Israel, and "citizens" the Church. How so?

I don`t think you read my post clearly, Ad Hoc, for you see - 

This parable clearly describes the Lord`s coming to Israel and giving authority to those servants of His who were `faithful in what was given,` (Luke 19: 17) The citizens, (Gentiles) who did not want the Lord to rule over them were slain. (Zech. 14: 12)