Death Penalty

[Arthur Durnan]

There must be NO special break for convicted Celebrity mass-murderer Tookie Williams in California, altho I tend to suspect that Gov. Schwarnegger's ultra-lib, Kennedy-related & pro-Hollywood spouse may indeed influence him in the egregiously wrong direction. And maybe he's heard too from other far-leftists such as Michael Moore, George Clooney, Charleze Theron & "People For The Non-American Way." Birds of a feather......

What vital point missing completely in all threads re convicted mass-murderer Williams centers on the NAMES of Williams' POOR SLAUGHTERED VICTIMS! Abolitionists NEVER mention victims' names....EVER....because slaughtered VICTIMS are simply secondary in the abolitionist mind-set. Permit THEIR honourable mention here for the sake of each abolitionist:

Albert Owens, 26, slaughtered in cold blood by Celebrity Murderer Williams;

Yen-I-Yang, 76, slaughtered in cold blood by Celebrity Murderer Williams;

Tsai-Shai Yang, 63, slaughtered in cold blood by Celebrity Murderer Williams;

Yee-Chen Lin, 43, slaughtered in cold blood by Celebrity Murderer Williams.

All are long in their sepulchres....while their convicted mass-murderer has received TWENTY-FIVE ADDITIONAL YEARS OF LIFE paid for the beleagured taxpayers of the Golden State! This is perhaps the biggest farce of abolition. Capital punishment reigns supreme with HellyWeird-types....trouble is the ones doing all the massacres are the mad-dog murderers while those being neatly executed are the poor, innocent victims! It's time & past time we fully reversed this anomaly in the interests - as stated previously - of social progress.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

[RustyAngeL]

There must be NO special break for convicted Celebrity mass-murderer Tookie Williams in California, altho I tend to suspect that Gov. Schwarnegger's ultra-lib, Kennedy-related & pro-Hollywood spouse may indeed influence him in the egregiously wrong direction. And maybe he's heard too from other far-leftists such as Michael Moore, George Clooney, Charleze Theron & "People For The Non-American Way." Birds of a feather......

What vital point missing completely in all threads re convicted mass-murderer Williams centers on the NAMES of Williams' POOR SLAUGHTERED VICTIMS! Abolitionists NEVER mention victims' names....EVER....because slaughtered VICTIMS are simply secondary in the abolitionist mind-set. Permit THEIR honourable mention here for the sake of each abolitionist:

Albert Owens, 26, slaughtered in cold blood by Celebrity Murderer Williams;

Yen-I-Yang, 76, slaughtered in cold blood by Celebrity Murderer Williams;

Tsai-Shai Yang, 63, slaughtered in cold blood by Celebrity Murderer Williams;

Yee-Chen Lin, 43, slaughtered in cold blood by Celebrity Murderer Williams.

All are long in their sepulchres....while their convicted mass-murderer has received TWENTY-FIVE ADDITIONAL YEARS OF LIFE paid for the beleagured taxpayers of the Golden State! This is perhaps the biggest farce of abolition. Capital punishment reigns supreme with HellyWeird-types....trouble is the ones doing all the massacres are the mad-dog murderers while those being neatly executed are the poor, innocent victims! It's time & past time we fully reversed this anomaly in the interests - as stated previously - of social progress.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

I'm afraid I agree with you. And let's face it, at the risk of sounding like a racist which I'm not, the black vote here in Calif is a huge goal for good ol Arnie. As a so called conservative he sure has gone liberal. Being married to a liberal has not helped him either. I have a sick feeling that he is going to over turn this case because his numbers are down and he needs the black vote. I pray just once that common sense takes over and he does the right thing by the victims and their families.

[nebula]

I said Do not release Williams three times.

I said do not kill him.

I said forgive him.

Let him live.

Again - why does forgiveness = let him live, but stay in prison?

How is that forgiveness?

Also again - how does prison serve justice for murder? What are the chances of reform verses his contuing to be the jail bully? Is it keeping people safe? Is he being taught that murder is wrong, or is he just playing the system?

You keep refusing to thoughtfully, Scripturally, concisely answer these challenges.

[Guest shiloh357]

I said Do not release Williams three times.

I said do not kill him.

I said forgive him.

Let him live.

Which shows that you don't understand what forgiveness is, or what it entails.

We cannot forgive Williams. We are not his victims, and only his victims or the at least the families of his victims have the right to forgive him. The government cannot forgive him. The government is put in place to uphold the legal system, and the law of the land says he deserves death. The death penalty does not contradict the Bible, nor the character of God, seeing that God set the death penalty in place in ancient Israel.

[JesusisGod2]

I said Do not release Williams three times.

I said do not kill him.

I said forgive him.

Let him live.

Which shows that you don't understand what forgiveness is, or what it entails.

We cannot forgive Williams. We are not his victims, and only his victims or the at least the families of his victims have the right to forgive him. The government cannot forgive him. The government is put in place to uphold the legal system, and the law of the land says he deserves death. The death penalty does not contradict the Bible, nor the character of God, seeing that God set the death penalty in place in ancient Israel.

Amen again Bro!

[Smalcald]

I said Do not release Williams three times.

I said do not kill him.

I said forgive him.

Let him live.

Which shows that you don't understand what forgiveness is, or what it entails.

We cannot forgive Williams. We are not his victims, and only his victims or the at least the families of his victims have the right to forgive him. The government cannot forgive him. The government is put in place to uphold the legal system, and the law of the land says he deserves death. The death penalty does not contradict the Bible, nor the character of God, seeing that God set the death penalty in place in ancient Israel.

I agree with this totally. We cannot forgive the sins of someone who has not sinned against us, only God can do that. In fact one of the ways we realize that Christ is God in the Gospels is that He forgives the sins of those who have done nothing against Him, which is why the Jewish religious leaders say, who does He think He is to forgive others sin? Who is chiefly offended when someone sins? The person who was hurt, and God. Thus only those two have any say in forgiveness.

So no doubt the government has held the right to take human life, both in war and against lawbreakers and I don't feel compelled as a Christian to try to end that right. The question for me though is whether the death penalty just, and does it work?

I would answer no on both of those counts, and for this reason feel it should be ended. I think as Christians we should work toward things, which are just in society. We do not seem to have the ability to evenly, consistently and justly apply the death penalty, and for this reason I think it should be ended. There is no doubt that innocent people have been killed by our government, and I don't think this is worth it, when we locking someone away without the possibility of parole serves all of the same purposes as the death penalty.

[Guest shiloh357]

We do not seem to have the ability to evenly, consistently and justly apply the death penalty, and for this reason I think it should be ended. There is no doubt that innocent people have been killed by our government, and I don't think this is worth it, when we locking someone away without the possibility of parole serves all of the same purposes as the death penalty.

Who says we have not locked up innocent peope? Are there innocent people whose lives have been ruined because they had to serve a jail sentence for a crime they did not commit? Should we then simply bring an end to prisons terms since there are innocents who have been locked up? Why not just dismantle it all? It is not just the death penalty cases where errors have been made. The justice system in this country is not perfect. We do make mistakes. We cannot dismantle the death penalty simply because mistakes were made in a sincere attempt to mete out justice.

[Avidan]

I said Do not release Williams three times.

I said do not kill him.

I said forgive him.

Let him live.

Which shows that you don't understand what forgiveness is, or what it entails.

We cannot forgive Williams. We are not his victims, and only his victims or the at least the families of his victims have the right to forgive him. The government cannot forgive him. The government is put in place to uphold the legal system, and the law of the land says he deserves death. The death penalty does not contradict the Bible, nor the character of God, seeing that God set the death penalty in place in ancient Israel.

I agree with this totally. We cannot forgive the sins of someone who has not sinned against us, only God can do that. In fact one of the ways we realize that Christ is God in the Gospels is that He forgives the sins of those who have done nothing against Him, which is why the Jewish religious leaders say, who does He think He is to forgive others sin? Who is chiefly offended when someone sins? The person who was hurt, and God. Thus only those two have any say in forgiveness.

So no doubt the government has held the right to take human life, both in war and against lawbreakers and I don't feel compelled as a Christian to try to end that right. The question for me though is whether the death penalty just, and does it work?

I would answer no on both of those counts, and for this reason feel it should be ended. I think as Christians we should work toward things, which are just in society. We do not seem to have the ability to evenly, consistently and justly apply the death penalty, and for this reason I think it should be ended. There is no doubt that innocent people have been killed by our government, and I don't think this is worth it, when we locking someone away without the possibility of parole serves all of the same purposes as the death penalty.

If Williams has not sinned against you, whereas you are not entitled to forgive him, why are you so adamant to kill him then?!!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps it is due to the "ways" of your nation....kill, murder, at any cost, for any reason. Yes indeed.

But not for much longer.....not much longer.......

Yahwehs judgement on your Nation is at your doorstep. LOL!!

[Keith]

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Perhaps it is due to the "ways" of your nation....kill, murder, at any cost, for any reason. Yes indeed.

But not for much longer.....not much longer.......

Yahwehs judgement on your Nation is at your doorstep. LOL!!

Your arrogance and self-righteous attitude is beyond nauseating. And the cackle (LOL) you put at the end of your last comment is proof of it. Do you think that you will escape the judgment of your attitude?

[Guest shiloh357]

I said Do not release Williams three times.

I said do not kill him.

I said forgive him.

Let him live.

Which shows that you don't understand what forgiveness is, or what it entails.

We cannot forgive Williams. We are not his victims, and only his victims or the at least the families of his victims have the right to forgive him. The government cannot forgive him. The government is put in place to uphold the legal system, and the law of the land says he deserves death. The death penalty does not contradict the Bible, nor the character of God, seeing that God set the death penalty in place in ancient Israel.

I agree with this totally. We cannot forgive the sins of someone who has not sinned against us, only God can do that. In fact one of the ways we realize that Christ is God in the Gospels is that He forgives the sins of those who have done nothing against Him, which is why the Jewish religious leaders say, who does He think He is to forgive others sin? Who is chiefly offended when someone sins? The person who was hurt, and God. Thus only those two have any say in forgiveness.

So no doubt the government has held the right to take human life, both in war and against lawbreakers and I don't feel compelled as a Christian to try to end that right. The question for me though is whether the death penalty just, and does it work?

I would answer no on both of those counts, and for this reason feel it should be ended. I think as Christians we should work toward things, which are just in society. We do not seem to have the ability to evenly, consistently and justly apply the death penalty, and for this reason I think it should be ended. There is no doubt that innocent people have been killed by our government, and I don't think this is worth it, when we locking someone away without the possibility of parole serves all of the same purposes as the death penalty.

If Williams has not sinned against you, whereas you are not entitled to forgive him, why are you so adamant to kill him then?!!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps it is due to the "ways" of your nation....kill, murder, at any cost, for any reason. Yes indeed.

But not for much longer.....not much longer.......

Yahwehs judgement on your Nation is at your doorstep. LOL!!

What a pile of rubbish.

The death penalty is not murder. The death penalty is biblical, Godly and just. Williams was the murderer. He wantonly took innocent lives by his own hand. People with ungodly liberal perspectives tend to make the criminals the victims while tossing the true victims and their families out the window without any consideration. It is people like you, who dehumanize the victims, and treat their suffering as being subservient to what you misperceive as the "forgiveness" mentioned in the Bible. Stop trying to use the Bible to forward your silly liberal nonsense. You don't know the Bible well enough to address this issue. You don't understand biblical forgiveness that much is for sure.

Williams is getting the recompense that he deserves under in accordance to the law of the land. Don't talk to me about God's judgement. That is something else you are obviously ignorant about.

BTW, you can drop your silly arrogant attitude. For all your talk about forgiveness you seem awful pleased to speak about God's judgement falling on me and my nation. It demonstrates your rank hypocrisy.