64% of Americans Say NSA Monitoring OK

[other one]

Don't you all understand that the president (NSA) has the right to spy on anyone in the world that they decide...... all they have to do is to file for a warrant within 72 hours. Since the secret court was formed they have had appx. 20,000 requests and is my understanding that less than two dozen have been refused and a bit less than 200 have been modified.......

What about this is it that the president can't follow the law..... it makes no common sense to me at all. Mr. Bush just doesn't want any oversight whatsoever, and that is not safe for our nation...... even if you do trust Mr. Bush, what about Hillary when she wins the next election...... think about that, for it is more than just a possibility......

Sam

[other one]

President George Bush can listen in on any of my conversations at any time in the interest of U.S. National Security as America is the ONE world power between us and a detestable Islamic Caliphate. "Civil liberties" do not exist for kind people already, as I've put it, indubitably dead, murdered by Muslim terrorists.

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

Arthur, you don't need to give Mr. Bush dictitorial rights to have him do his job....... just have someone watch over his shoulder so as to be sure he doesn't abuse his position.... that is what our form of government is all about.... checks and balances

[nebula]

There is still a disagreement over whether or not Bush broke the law.

I was watching a news segment yesterday with two men arguing this point.

Since i don't know much about the law, I am in no place ot argue either way.

But the fact still remains that not all believe it was a breaking of the law.

So, to continue arguing this point as fact . . . might not be so.

[other one]

But to just let it go and not discuss it is foolish also for there are those here who are willing to lay down any and all liberties for the promise of more security........ that is how all dictatorships develope..... good grief it is how Hitler took over Germany. Might I add that the only law that Hitler broke in coming into power was to burn the Capitol Building.....

I know that you all seem to trust George Bush with your very lives, but what about those who follow him. Don't you understand that this is going to carry out many many years. This war on terrorism most likely will last till Jesus returns, so you are willingly giving up our personal freedoms for generations to come when it is totally unnecessary......

Neb, I think it wise for you to get into understanding our laws and form of government, for it is your duty to pick people who will uphold the Oath to God that they make to follow those laws, and if we leave people in the offices of our government that do not uphold those laws, "we" (you and I) are accountable for the damage that they do. We are responsible for putting them there and we are responsible for what they do if we leave them there.

Abraham Lincoln made the statement to the effect that the United States would have to live through all times or die by suicide. If this country falls it will come from within and not from abroad. While there are countries that could completely destroy our Nation with weapons, they can not destroy our government and leave the people.

Terrorism will destroy this nation for there are few who are willing to die for it. We send our people over to other places to die for freedom, but who is willing here..... what's the difference in sending our military somewhere and being willing to die for it and doing the same in our own homes. Yes Terrorism will destroy our nation from within because few remain that are willing do die for it.

Give me liberty or give me death doesn't confine itself to the battle field in Afghanistan or Iraq, it has to be in your front yard and even to the confines of your bedroom and even your bathroom, or this Nation is doomed to Tyranny. Be it from within or without, it will come if you are not willing to sacrifice whatever it takes for it.

Question is....... do we care?

[nebula]

If this country falls it will come from within and not from abroad.

As far as falling from within -

I'm more concerned about moral decays than government monitoring phone calls that by-pass the court.

Moral decay is the true threat to our freedoms as Christians - not politicians and their doings.

And it's the court and judges that are ruling prayers in school to be illegal and 10 Commandments displays to be illegal and other public expressions of faith to be illegal.

So why are you trusting the courts to provide the president with the proper checks and balances?

[other one]

That is much too broad a question to throw into this thread.

Courts can not stop prayer in schools. they can stop forced prayer in schools and for the protection of my kids from the growing paganism and Luciferian worship that is growing I think I can really agree with that.

If you are having trouble with schools not letting kids pray you should do something about it, for it is not against the law. Leading a group of people to prayer is a different thing. If you all would work on getting prayer back in the home you wouldn't have to worry about the schools. Home is the problem for like the laws of the land no one is willing to sacrifice for them and they will go along with the rest of it.

We can agree on moral decay, but the problem with prayer in schools is from the moral decay and not the other way around. You can't force people to pray...... you can't force people to the alter..... you can't force people to Christ and we in the United States are failing miserably in getting people there. You're attacking the problem from the wrong end.

You can't put prayer in the school, you must put it in the home and let it be taken there. You can't put it in government, you must put it into the home and let people take it there.

We will see how this all works out in the end, with the Prisident; but, like I said in the other thread, keep a watch on these people for it is not your beast intentions that they have on their minds. I can't discuss the reasons for that, but I simply can't sit by and let this go....

[Gerioke]

But to just let it go and not discuss it is foolish also for there are those here who are willing to lay down any and all liberties for the promise of more security........ that is how all dictatorships develope..... good grief it is how Hitler took over Germany. Might I add that the only law that Hitler broke in coming into power was to burn the Capitol Building.....

I know that you all seem to trust George Bush with your very lives, but what about those who follow him. Don't you understand that this is going to carry out many many years. This war on terrorism most likely will last till Jesus returns, so you are willingly giving up our personal freedoms for generations to come when it is totally unnecessary......

Neb, I think it wise for you to get into understanding our laws and form of government, for it is your duty to pick people who will uphold the Oath to God that they make to follow those laws, and if we leave people in the offices of our government that do not uphold those laws, "we" (you and I) are accountable for the damage that they do. We are responsible for putting them there and we are responsible for what they do if we leave them there.

Abraham Lincoln made the statement to the effect that the United States would have to live through all times or die by suicide. If this country falls it will come from within and not from abroad. While there are countries that could completely destroy our Nation with weapons, they can not destroy our government and leave the people.

Terrorism will destroy this nation for there are few who are willing to die for it. We send our people over to other places to die for freedom, but who is willing here..... what's the difference in sending our military somewhere and being willing to die for it and doing the same in our own homes. Yes Terrorism will destroy our nation from within because few remain that are willing do die for it.

Give me liberty or give me death doesn't confine itself to the battle field in Afghanistan or Iraq, it has to be in your front yard and even to the confines of your bedroom and even your bathroom, or this Nation is doomed to Tyranny. Be it from within or without, it will come if you are not willing to sacrifice whatever it takes for it.

Question is....... do we care?

Right on

Satan wears many suits and knows no borders. We seem to keep forgetting who the real enemy is.

[nebula]

We can agree on moral decay, but the problem with prayer in schools is from the moral decay and not the other way around.

And I could say the same about the government.

Moral decay goes first.

If it is "We the people"a s you mentioned, should we not focus more on "we the people"?

[other one]

Neb, we can't discuss the details of all this on this board or someone will yell conspiracy and things go away. I simply don't have the time to waste on the mentality that exists here for this particular subject. It is truly a waste for any work a person puts here simply disappears.

I do try and make people look in places for their own good, and that is about all I can do. Just be very careful of where you put your trust. That is where I am leading things to, and it is very important as the end decption unfolds as to whome we trust.

Sam

[nebula]

Well, since I can't answer that without saying things that I should not either, I guess that leaves us at an impass.