Hello

[ONE WHO WISHES TO LOVE GOD]

I live in an area with a majority population of mormons. I am quite familiar with their beliefs. As you said, you are still learning. Many of these teachings dont come out until you are well intrenched in it.

I used to be an Anti-Mormon. I am well versed in Anti-Mormon tactics, many of which have been demonstrated here. Such as: lying, copying and pasting, providing no scriptural references, ignoring my replies, etc.

LD student,

Why did you come this Christian board?

You seem to have all the answers?

Do you think you win people here over to become Mormons?????

What you are doing here is promoting a cult, someday you will bow your knee and tell Jesus that He is Lord, there will come a day that you wish you had followed the Bible instead of man made rules.

I am a Christian. Jesus is my Savior and the Lord of my life. How many times must I repeat this before you will accept it?

I'm not judging you-

Of course you are; please do not lie to me. You said I'm going to hell. Therefore, you are claiming the ability to read my heart.

God gave us all a free will all I can do is tell you is to read the Bible only and you WILL find who you should serve.

I have read the entire Bible.

Thats all I have to say about it because arguiying forth and back doesn't help.

It also doesn't help to be mocked and insulted on a "Christian" web site. However, I must thank you. How come? Well, all of you have reminded me how hypocritical so-called "Evangelical Christians" can be.

Jesus said, Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. I do not see any good fruit here. By contrast, I see nothing but good fruit at my ward. Never before have I tasted judgement from my Mormon friends - even when I persecuted them. I see Christ manifested more in their lives than in any other people I've met; that is because the LDS Church is the Lord's true Church. It is quite simple: Joseph Smith was a Prophet, the Book of Mormon is true, and the Church is true. That is why God is leading me to join them.

I'm a patient man, but I can see my welcome here has worn out.

LD student bro please listen some of your mormon teachings are not in keeping with scripture however your standing before God is not determind by anyone but him sadly some feel it is more productive to attack anyone who is does not agree however I encourage you to use this forum to help you expose the false teachings of the mormons.

Now the rest of this post is a reminder that we need to reach and not repell. If your going to post and you do it with out love it is invian that you posted at all. We all talk about showing brotherly love, well some of us need to re think how we aproach people with the Truth.

As always IS THE

[angels4u]

I encourage you to use this forum to help you expose the false teachings of the mormons

This might help---

http://www.bible-truth.org/differentgod.htm

[IslandRose]

Awwww and I thought I did such a good job of explaining the canon of the scripture to you in my PM. Actually, the Apocrypha was only added to the scripture in the 16th century by the Catholic church and a few of it's clones. Most Protestant groups as well as the Anabaptists have never accepted the apocrypha, as I demonstrated in my PM to you. I don't think that any of us have said that any particular translation is inerrant, rather, the scriptures in there original manuscripts were inerrant, and that we have 5366 manuscript copies of the NT from various people, times and places. Some are complete, some are not. Some in good shape, some are not. But though they are from many different groups and regions, they are all virtually identical. In the 20, 000 lines of the Greek New Testament, there are only 40 lines, 400 words, that are in any way questioned. One half of one percent. Most of these 400 words are grammatical. Our translations are sometimes corrected to bring our understanding closer to the meaning of the Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic meanings. The originals still stand as they have through out the ages.

I disagree. You interpret a lone verse in Revelation to support your Sola Scriptura view, despite the fact that the Bible did not exist when Revelation was written. Clearly, the verse is speaking exclusively of Revelation. Nowhere in the Bible does it state the Canon is closed. I once believed that, until I realized how absurd it is. Besides, the Book of Mormon is not the Bible; it is another Testament: an account of another people and their dealings with the Lord. Therefore, nobody was adding to the Bible. So even if the verse in Revelation means what you claim it means, it does not apply to the Book of Mormon.

Ah, you mistake me for someone else. I did not use the verse in Revelation. But I did give you the verse from Jude 3.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

The words once delivered to the saints indicates once for all / not to be repeated. The canon was closed.

As Jesus Himself said, And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. (John 10:16) So tell me, WHO are the "other sheep"? The Book of Mormon is the word of God. Period.

The other sheep were the Gentiles. Pure and simple. The Book of Mormon adds to the Scripture. It is not the Word of God.

Right, that's why the JW's, Seventh Day Adventists, and others were considered false religions. Because their prophecies never came true. A few of them repented and tried to come more in line with scripture. Others just tried to spiritualize the lie and went further into heresy.

Joseph Smith's opinion that Christ would return during the 19th century was exactly that: AN OPINION. It was not a Prophecy.

President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit. . . .

Sounds like a prophecy to me.

Verily, thus saith the Lord:Those words make it a prophecy if it was future and if he died, it was a false prophecy.

[Guest LDStudent]

I live in an area with a majority population of mormons. I am quite familiar with their beliefs. As you said, you are still learning. Many of these teachings dont come out until you are well intrenched in it.

I used to be an Anti-Mormon. I am well versed in Anti-Mormon tactics, many of which have been demonstrated here. Such as: lying, copying and pasting, providing no scriptural references, ignoring my replies, etc.

LD student,

Why did you come this Christian board?

You seem to have all the answers?

Do you think you win people here over to become Mormons?????

What you are doing here is promoting a cult, someday you will bow your knee and tell Jesus that He is Lord, there will come a day that you wish you had followed the Bible instead of man made rules.

I am a Christian. Jesus is my Savior and the Lord of my life. How many times must I repeat this before you will accept it?

I'm not judging you-

Of course you are; please do not lie to me. You said I'm going to hell. Therefore, you are claiming the ability to read my heart.

God gave us all a free will all I can do is tell you is to read the Bible only and you WILL find who you should serve.

I have read the entire Bible.

Thats all I have to say about it because arguiying forth and back doesn't help.

It also doesn't help to be mocked and insulted on a "Christian" web site. However, I must thank you. How come? Well, all of you have reminded me how hypocritical so-called "Evangelical Christians" can be.

Jesus said, Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. I do not see any good fruit here. By contrast, I see nothing but good fruit at my ward. Never before have I tasted judgement from my Mormon friends - even when I persecuted them. I see Christ manifested more in their lives than in any other people I've met; that is because the LDS Church is the Lord's true Church. It is quite simple: Joseph Smith was a Prophet, the Book of Mormon is true, and the Church is true. That is why God is leading me to join them.

I'm a patient man, but I can see my welcome here has worn out.

LD student bro please listen some of your mormon teachings are not in keeping with scripture however your standing before God is not determind by anyone but him sadly some feel it is more productive to attack anyone who is does not agree however I encourage you to use this forum to help you expose the false teachings of the mormons.

Now the rest of this post is a reminder that we need to reach and not repell. If your going to post and you do it with out love it is invian that you posted at all. We all talk about showing brotherly love, well some of us need to re think how we aproach people with the Truth.

As always IS THE

I have received nothing BUT attacks since joining this site. Nobody even took the time to give a warm welcome; instead, they immediately proceeded to copy and paste of Anti-Mormon sites... sites which provide no references to our official canon. Surprise, surprise. You see, nobody here is interested in learning about what Mormons believe; they TELL us what we believe, as if somehow we don't know what God has told us to be true.

http://www.bible-truth.org/differentgod.htm

That site is nothing but blasphemous slander. NOWHERE in Mormon doctrine, or even in the opinions of Prophets, has it been suggested that God was a sinner. It is a lie spread by Anti-Mormons who hate the truth. Yes, we do believe God was a man, and that man's name was Jesus Christ. He took on flesh, lived without sin, suffered for the sins of the world, and rose victorious so that mankind can be saved. So you see, it is true: God was once a man.

Any more questions?

Ah, you mistake me for someone else. I did not use the verse in Revelation. But I did give you the verse from Jude 3.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

The words once delivered to the saints indicates once for all / not to be repeated. The canon was closed.

The "faith which was once delivered unto the saints" is the GOSPEL. While the Gospel is in the Bible, the Bible is not the Gospel. The Gospel is the spoken word, the written word, and the convictions of the Spirit. The Gospel is the simple truth that through Christ, we can be saved from our sins. The Gospel "once delivered to the saints" is also preached in the Book of Mormon. Alma the Younger, following his conversion to the Lord Jesus Christ, preached the same Gospel to the Lamanites as Paul preached to the Romans and Greeks.

Jude 1:4, 1:5, and so forth, illustrates what I am saying.

In Christ,

LDStudent

[ayin jade]

You see, nobody here is interested in learning about what Mormons believe;

This is not a site for the promotion of a religion that we believe to be a serious deviation from the truth of Jesus.

Remember the warning in Galatians:

Galatians 1

6 I marvel that you so soon are being moved away from Him who called you into the grace of Christ, to another gospel,

7 which is not another, but some are troubling you, and desiring to pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But even if we or an angel from Heaven preach a gospel to you beside what we preached to you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, and now I say again, If anyone preaches a gospel to you beside what you have received, let him be accursed.

Smith was shown another gospel by an angel of light. It is a different gospel than what is in the bible.

[Guest LDStudent]

You see, nobody here is interested in learning about what Mormons believe;

This is not a site for the promotion of a religion that we believe to be a serious deviation from the truth of Jesus.

Remember the warning in Galatians:

Galatians 1

6 I marvel that you so soon are being moved away from Him who called you into the grace of Christ, to another gospel,

7 which is not another, but some are troubling you, and desiring to pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But even if we or an angel from Heaven preach a gospel to you beside what we preached to you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, and now I say again, If anyone preaches a gospel to you beside what you have received, let him be accursed.

Smith was shown another gospel by an angel of light. It is a different gospel than what is in the bible.

Smith was not shown another gospel. He was shown THE Gospel in its fullness, and was called to restore the authority of that Gospel to the face of the earth. The Gospel is simple: believe in Christ, be baptized, receive the Spirit, and endure in your faith. We DO emphasize endurance to the end. Unlike "mainstream" Christians, we do not believe someone can accept Christ, but commit mass-murder, and yet be saved. Salvation depends on faith; and faith without works is meaningless. Therefore, works are required for salvation. (But those works do not save us. Makes sense?)

The Gospel restored by Smith, as delivered by the Angel Moroni, is the same Gospel preached by Christ, Peter, John and Paul.

[seraph]

You see, nobody here is interested in learning about what Mormons believe;

This is not a site for the promotion of a religion that we believe to be a serious deviation from the truth of Jesus.

Remember the warning in Galatians:

Galatians 1

6 I marvel that you so soon are being moved away from Him who called you into the grace of Christ, to another gospel,

7 which is not another, but some are troubling you, and desiring to pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But even if we or an angel from Heaven preach a gospel to you beside what we preached to you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, and now I say again, If anyone preaches a gospel to you beside what you have received, let him be accursed.

Smith was shown another gospel by an angel of light. It is a different gospel than what is in the bible.

Smith was not shown another gospel. He was shown THE Gospel in its fullness, and was called to restore the authority of that Gospel to the face of the earth. The Gospel is simple: believe in Christ, be baptized, receive the Spirit, and endure in your faith. We DO emphasize endurance to the end. Unlike "mainstream" Christians, we do not believe someone can accept Christ, but commit mass-murder, and yet be saved. Salvation depends on faith; and faith without works is meaningless. Therefore, works are required for salvation. (But those works do not save us. Makes sense?)

The Gospel restored by Smith, as delivered by the Angel Moroni, is the same Gospel preached by Christ, Peter, John and Paul.

If it's the "same" gospel, why did it need to be "restored"?

Joseph Smith preached another jesus... not the jesus that brings salvation... if the Book of Mormon, the Quran or whatever or whoever changes who the Bible says God is... it's another gospel, another jesus. As a Christian and follower of Christ, the Son of God, I do NOT believe my Lord and Saviour was a mere creation like mormonism teaches. What good can a mere human do in regards to salvation of mankind? Jospeh Smith- a mere human and false prophet- has absolutely nothing to do with my salvation.

[Guest LDStudent]

If it's the "same" gospel, why did it need to be "restored"?

The authority of the Gospel was lost. Meaning, God removed the Priesthood from the Earth in order to wait for the proper time and place to begin the final dispensation. The Reformation led by Luther was the first step leading towards the Restoration of the Gospel. But the Restoration required freedom of religion, as established in the United States. It also required the translation of ancient texts, such as the Book of Mormon, which found themselves in the United States. That is where Joseph Smith comes into the picture.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Joseph Smith preached another jesus... not the jesus that brings salvation... if the Book of Mormon, the Quran or whatever or whoever changes who the Bible says God is... it's another gospel, another jesus.

Repeating the same thing over and over does not make it true.

As a Christian and follower of Christ, the Son of God, I do NOT believe my Lord and Saviour was a mere creation like mormonism teaches.

Where does Mormonism teach that Jesus is a creation? Had you bothered to read the verses I posted from the Book of Mormon, you would see that we teach Christ is eternal. We also teach that you, myself, and everyone else is eternal. But, as I suspected, most Christians don't care what Mormons believe. They're more interested in saying Mormonism is a cult, and lying that we believe God was a sinner, and claiming that all Mormons will burn in hell.

What good can a mere human do in regards to salvation of mankind?

Nothing, but God can cause men to carry out great purposes, no?

Jospeh Smith- a mere human and false prophet- has absolutely nothing to do with my salvation.

No, but the Restoration does.

Edited January 13, 2006 by LDStudent

[angels4u]

You see, nobody here is interested in learning about what Mormons believe

Amen

[WayneB]

... you would see that we teach Christ is eternal. We also teach that you, myself, and everyone else is eternal. But, as I suspected, most Christians don't care what Mormons believe. They're more interested in saying Mormonism is a cult, and lying that we believe God was a sinner, and claiming that all Mormons will burn in hell.

Ldstudent,

That is where the difference is between us. As an Latter Day Saint, you believe that man can attain a level equal with Jesus Christ. Not so. Man is NOT eternal; man has a beginning and was created. Jesus Christ does NOT have a beginning and was NOT created. He is God. You do not believe that He is God manifested in the flesh. Isn't this correctly stated? That is a significant difference and one that cannot be "compromised".

Let me explain with Scripture, all from the Gospel of John.

John made it clear in the opening verses of chapter one of his gospel...

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Notice...Jesus Christ is GOD and has given us the power to be sons of God, heirs of God, co-heirs with Christ [Romans 8:17]... BUT NOT God!

Furthermore, Jesus Christ referred to Himself as "I AM" making it clear that He was God, the great "I AM". Of more interest in this claim is that Abraham is NOT eternal, which would contradict what you wrote above. Abraham has a beginning; he was born.

John 8

58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

Are you going to pick up a stone or are you going to believe and accept Jesus for who HE said HE is?

Lastly, and please think about this friend. Jesus made it clear that we must believe HIM or we are still in our sins.

John 8:24

"I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins."

You seem to have come here to not just defend your beliefs but rather to proselytize your religion. That is not polite nor acceptable. You are welcome to stay and ask questions of OUR beliefs as you seek God

Edited January 13, 2006 by Wayne B.