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[David from New Bern]

CharlieC, Have you ever watched a football game when there is a fumble? Have you noticed that every player on the field points toward his goal line? Whether or not he saw the fumble and who picked it up. The ref is right or wrong based on if it is in your favor or not. Lawyers in the courtroom can argue for their side and literally care less the objective facts of the case. My friend, if you desire to believe the truth it has everything to do with your ability to recognize it when you see it. I know how to argue and I have to dismiss that skill when I talk about the Bible with folks. Because if I don't I'm preparing a rebuttal and not seeking to hear the truth. That's why I wanted to know before you moved on.

Edited February 26, 2006 by David from New Bern

[Guest CharlieC]

CharlieC the prompt at the bottom of my screen says you are online at the same time I am at the present. Is there a desire at all in your heart to know the truth? Simply, do you want to believe what we believe?

Is what you believe truth? None of you can agree on much of anything. But truth is what I was seeking when I read the bible. Let me recap all that you have said to me personally. So you can reference what you have already said. Then you can lay the rest of it on me.

[Guest CharlieC]

I asked a question in the seekers area I got no answer just a closed forum with the statement "If you

[Guest CharlieC]

I asked a question in the seekers area I got no answer just a closed forum with the statement "If you’re really interested in learning the truth about Jesus Join and ask questions”. Ok here I am asking again. I recently read the bible in 6 hours with 95% or better comprehension. I have an IQ of 160. So enlighten me you all. If the truth about Jesus isn’t in the bible tell me which book it is in so I will know whether what you say is true or not.

Charlie

The truth about Jesus is in the Bible. The Bible is the Word of G-d, finished and complete. There are no new revelations; everything you need to know about Jesus is in there. Jesus can be found from the OT to the NT. There is nothing wrong with good books written about the Bible and about Jesus, but they are purely secondary to the Word of G-d.

Surely you know this with 95% or better comprehension of the Bible.

I assumed that you all based your beliefs on the bible. After hearing about it for many years my curiosity was peaked and I decided to read your source book for myself. My question was why don't any of you follow your leader if you believe as you say you do? The bible seemed pretty simple to me. If there was one person who truly believed, they could not be hid and would be out in plain sight just like that candle that gives light to the whole house in the dark. You know like Jesus did and the eleven apostles. But maybe God is hiding them because they would become lab rats just like they tried to do to me when I was a child. The bible says that evil men and the world is God's enemy. Why can't I tell the difference between you and a con out in public? I don't hear of anyone healing the sick, raising the dead, walking on water, turning water into wine, yet your book says if you believe you will be doing these things. So I wonder what is the problem. Do you really not believe? Or did I read the wrong book?

Charlie

Hello Charlie C

The Bible is the only book you need to understand Jesus. It is the Word of God and is complete. Concerning your question in this post, that is the same one Jesus asked when he said, Why call ye me Lord, Lord and do not the things I command you? There are many called, but few chosen. There are a lot more people that believe in Jesus than there are that truly follow him.

A similar question came up in another thread, where someone wanted to say that since people like Copeland and Hinn have failed to heal everyone they laid hands on, that meant divine healing has passed away. That is nonsence. There are very few today, with the dedication the early apostles had. We don't pray like they did, we rarely ever fast. We are not separated from the world like they were, and totally dedicated to God. That is a matter of human failure, not Biblical failure.

I believe the church has access to the same power they had in the early church, but the problem lies with us. Another problem is that many times when a person is used to heal the sick, they become proud and start accepting the glory that belongs to God. That is why I feel many of the faith healers have resorted to such things as setting up phony healings. God quits working through them, and in order to sustain a ministry based on healing and miracles, they revert to those kind of tactics. The power to heal is not within men, but God. He only uses human vessels to do his work. There are still instances of miracles taking place today, but not for the purpose of making believers out of skeptics. There shall no sign be given but the sign of Jonah.

I enjoyed reading this reply as well as the reply from Copper Scroll. But about the no sign will be given except the sign of Jonah. Jesus was performing these miracles in front of the people who were asking him for a sign. Jonah came with no miracles telling the people of Nineveh that God is going to kill you unless you turn from your evil. The author referred to God saying the people of Nineveh didn't have the sense to know their right from their left. But they repented at the preaching of Jonah. The Pharisees, Sadducees and Scribes who were asking Jesus for a sign couldn't see that the sign was already there being preformed for them. They had blinded themselves for the sake of their own splendor being threatened. But this “no sign will be given” is not an answer to my question. Nor do I find in the bible where it is an acceptable excuse for anyone.

Charlie

The sign of Jonah was that as Jonah spent 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the fish, so would Jesus spend 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth. That was during the time between the crucifiction and the resurrection. He was saying that was the only sign they would see. The point is that you are seeking physical evidence, signs, wonders and miracles, as the religious crowd of Jesus' day was. God will not present signs to unbelievers simply to cause them to believe.

Thanks for the reminder of the three days in the belly of the whale. I don't know how I missed that link. That’s another meaning.

I am not seeking physical evidence and it is not my fault that the signs that were said to follow those who believe are no where to be seen. As far as I can see the light of the world is the world. That which the book separates as the difference is no longer visible. The author of the book of Matthew wrote “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven”. The good works are those that Jesus did and taught his apostles to do and they in turn taught the rest of the followers of that day the same. Light that shines before men is visible and that which is mentioned is good works. Not the works that are common to the world.

Charlie

Edited February 26, 2006 by CharlieC

[nebula]

Nebula suggested that Jesus was unable to do miracles in some regions because of unbelief which doesn

[Guest CharlieC]

Nebula suggested that Jesus was unable to do miracles in some regions because of unbelief which doesn

[MrsSealedEternal]

I asked a question in the seekers area I got no answer just a closed forum with the statement "If you

[Guest CharlieC]

Jon 1:17 And the LORD appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the stomach of the fish three days and three nights.

Whale, fish. What's your point?

From the book of matthew: "for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. "

Charlie

[nebula]

You missed my point. Their unbelief was so severe that it could have only ended up as did the captain and fifty. That wasn

[MrsSealedEternal]

Jon 1:17 And the LORD appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the stomach of the fish three days and three nights.

Whale, fish. What's your point?

From the book of matthew: "for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. "

Charlie

Just sometimes wonder what specifically swallowed him... .