Predetermined?

[Ovedya]

No one has asked you to do either. I think that until you have proven to us otherwise, we are happy to receive you as a brother in the Lord. But as I said, we will point out the error where we see it - hopefully with grace and in love (But as we are human, this is sometimes a little hard).

Would you not want us to correct you if you were in error?

[Guest Duane]

Do you believe that cults like LDS and Jehovah's Witnesses can have some truth and yet still be false?

Yes, and I find many truths in many different places. And not just in Christianity.

Christianity just has more of it.

I can see where you are going with this, that I may hold a little of both, too, right?

No, that's not where I was going at all, but you makea point.

Where I was going is this: The LDS and JW's have missed the mark theologically. It does not matter whether they have a little bit of truth at all, because they have predominantly strayed from the entire truth of God's word.

Paul warned the believers in Corinth and Galatia respectively not to listen to deceivers who preach another Jesus, and another gospel. Since Jesus is the center of the gospel, anyone who preaches a Jesus differently than who is recorded in the Bible, is a deceiver and false apostle. Therefore, anything that they preach concerning Christ, whether it sounds like the truth or not, is false.

The Jehovah's Witnesses may preach that the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sins, but the Jesus whom they preach is a false Jesus. We know that they do not believe Jesus Christ to be fully God, as the Bible clearly reveals. So even though the statement may be true, we must reject this "truth;" for in reality, they preach a false Jesus and a false gospel. Understand?

Now, the problem I see here is that you are pretty much reciting LDS errors and a couple of thinly veiled JW errors - whether it is your intention or not.

No, such is not my intention. I have glanced over the teachings of a lot of things, but do not really know any of them in depth. And I do not have affiliation with any organization.

I am glad that we can agree on at least some things.

[Ovedya]

I have studies both the LDS and the JW's in some depth.

Believe me, brother, they are WAY off target.

[Guest Duane]

No one has asked you to do either. I think that until you have proven to us otherwise, we are happy to receive you as a brother in the Lord. But as I said, we will point out the error where we see it - hopefully with grace and in love (But as we are human, this is sometimes a little hard).

Would you not want us to correct you if you were in error?

I would.

However, it seems that is more of a one way street.

You expect me to take your correction, but not the other way around.

I truly believe that I have been taught by the Lord. I have been shown many things.

And I will tell you, I can not be convinced otherwise. The Holy Spirit has me already convinced.

I will always consider what you and the others wish to show me, and I may find a flaw in my understanding and will welcome correction.

But I understand God in a fundamentally different way, everything from the most basic equation/formula of the Creation, to the Pattern of Life everything is based on, to time and the dimensions. I understand how Life progresses through the heavens.

It is marvelously simple, while at the same time marvelously complex.

I may sound whacko, conceited, or arrogant, but I truly understand what can not be understood without the help of the Almighty.

What would you have me do?

[BlindSeeker]

. . . I truly believe that I have been taught by the Lord. I have been shown many things.

And I will tell you, I can not be convinced otherwise. The Holy Spirit has me already convinced.

I will always consider what you and the others wish to show me, and I may find a flaw in my understanding and will welcome correction.

But I understand God in a fundamentally different way, everything from the most basic equation/formula of the Creation, to the Pattern of Life everything is based on, to time and the dimensions. I understand how Life progresses through the heavens.

It is marvelously simple, while at the same time marvelously complex.

I may sound whacko, conceited, or arrogant, but I truly understand what can not be understood without the help of the Almighty.

What would you have me do?

I would appreciate it if you took the time to read this thread here (click to link).

Perhaps we can pursue the matter of Jesus and the Father there in more depth.

William

[Guest Duane]

. . . I truly believe that I have been taught by the Lord. I have been shown many things.

And I will tell you, I can not be convinced otherwise. The Holy Spirit has me already convinced.

I will always consider what you and the others wish to show me, and I may find a flaw in my understanding and will welcome correction.

But I understand God in a fundamentally different way, everything from the most basic equation/formula of the Creation, to the Pattern of Life everything is based on, to time and the dimensions. I understand how Life progresses through the heavens.

It is marvelously simple, while at the same time marvelously complex.

I may sound whacko, conceited, or arrogant, but I truly understand what can not be understood without the help of the Almighty.

What would you have me do?

I would appreciate it if you took the time to read this thread here (click to link).

Perhaps we can pursue the matter of Jesus and the Father there in more depth.

William

I will, but I will have to do it tomorrow. I am off work in 10 minutes, and have the wife and kiddies waiting for me at home.

I have no connection at home, so I do all this at work.

Good thing I have an understanding boss, eh?

That is just too long to get through in less than an hour, I think.

So I will respond in this thread tomorrow, if that's ok.

[godrulz]

Heresy is often a mixture of truth and error, rather than all falsehood.

It helps to differentiate essential truth (Deity of Christ) from important but non-essential truth (rapture, tribulation, etc.).

Eph. 1:3 Every spiritual blessing is in Christ. We do not need horoscopes, Watchtower magazines, Mormon prophets, Popes, televangelists, etc. to get the 'truth'. We do need the Holy Spirit to illuminate the revelation of Scripture.

We should have yellow lights when an individual gets their teaching directly from the 'Spirit'. Eph. 4:11 says that God sets in pastors and teachers to equip us and keep us from error. God reveals truth to the whole Body of Christ through the ages. If an individual has some new 'revelation', it is quite possible it will not stand up to rightly dividing the Word of God (2 Timothy).

I John 2:27 does not preclude biblical teachers. The warning is to not be deceived by false teachers/heretics. With every fad and wind of doctrine today, we need discernment that comes from study of the Word, teachers, and prayer. I do not see being part of a strong local church with godly leadership as optional either. Lone Rangers are vulnerable to being picked off by the wolves.

[Guest Duane]

. . . I truly believe that I have been taught by the Lord. I have been shown many things.

And I will tell you, I can not be convinced otherwise. The Holy Spirit has me already convinced.

I will always consider what you and the others wish to show me, and I may find a flaw in my understanding and will welcome correction.

But I understand God in a fundamentally different way, everything from the most basic equation/formula of the Creation, to the Pattern of Life everything is based on, to time and the dimensions. I understand how Life progresses through the heavens.

It is marvelously simple, while at the same time marvelously complex.

I may sound whacko, conceited, or arrogant, but I truly understand what can not be understood without the help of the Almighty.

What would you have me do?

I would appreciate it if you took the time to read this thread here (click to link).

Perhaps we can pursue the matter of Jesus and the Father there in more depth.

William

Hi William, what would you like to talk about?

[angels4u]

Predestination.

God want s all people to get saved.

He gave His only begotten Son to die for our sins so we would have everlasting life.

God also gave us a free will to either exept this or reject it.

God did not created robots, He wants us to choose who we would serve, its either Him or the devil.

Because God is all knowing, knowing what we will be choosing, He knows if we are getting saved or not.

He wants ALL people toget saved. And He will give everybody the same chance ......to either reject or exept the Son of God. He will not influenze our decision, its up to us.....but He knows because He is all knowing what we will choose.

Hope this helps??

Angels

[BlindSeeker]

Hi William, what would you like to talk about?

Did you read the link?