The Shewing away of Duane Brotherly

[traveller]

Okay, I was the one that protested Duane's threads the most, so here is my opinion on the whole thing.

Coolwaters, you say Duane was honestly searching. The way I see it, his actions spoke louder than his words. Though he would declare that he would take our words into consideration, he never did. Instead, he would immediately start another post about his doctrine. He was teaching, not asking. Also, by his own words this was not his first board to do this. Again, he was not seeking answers, he was teaching. I know things don't happen overnight, but if he were truly searching he would stop teaching long enough to listen. He did not.

OneAccord and Cats, at first glance a section for non-believers sounds good. But then aren't we are just like the other boards that get low marks? We've all looked at the other boards and chose to come here instead. This is supposed to be a Christian forum, for edifying the body of Christ, a respite from the "world" in which to fellowship. Or am I mistaken? I personally think it's wonderful when one that is truly searching comes here and does learn and does find Jesus. However, it's various opinions as to whether an individual is a searcher or a tare.

I love this place. I love all the family here. I have found encouragement and assurances here. I have been taught and loved here. I have found true brothers and sisters here. I have grown here. This is a good place and a good ministry that George has been called to. You guys know me - I am here everyday and have been for nearly two years. Over this time many have come and gone with false doctrines. There will be more. We are in the falling away period.

Perhaps I am all wrong here. But you should all know this. Duane was not de-membered. He can still come and read. Is he searching? Is he seeking answers? If so, he is still welcome to come here to learn.

Okay, fire away.

[Guest RoS]

I know. I know. I'm one of those dastardly "newbies," folks. And from what I gather here in this string, ought to be ostricized, set apart for that sin alone. But I hope you'll hear me out nonetheless.

From the remarks above I gather that Duane said: "Looks like I will not be posting any more. I am tired of being called names, insulted, and having my threads deleted in the middle of a discussion. I do not see how I can explain anything if I am not given the time to do so."

I never met him, of course, but feel that Duane and I have probably much in common insofar as our treatment on this fourm. I have no idea as to his spiritual condition and am want to judge it (especially based on the second-hand facts found here). But I was born again in 1984 and, although I've wavered in my walk with the Lord from time to time, He has given me the gift of encouragement in the body of Christ and a passion to reach the lost with the good news of the Gospel. I faithfully served the Lord in an evangelistic business outreach ministry from my home for six years and have dutifully written a book which I was so led to write, I have determined that it would have been sinful for me not to have written it. I hope it is clear by my goal to reach the lost that I am a member of the body of Christ.

None of us can judge Duane, of course, and no one can predict his future. But there is one Lord, one faith, one hope, one baptism, One God and Father of all (Ephesians 4th chapter). Therefore, everyone born of the Holy Spirit reads (or will eventually read) scripture "of the same mind" as they mature in their relationships with the Lord. The church always "recognizes" itself housed in others.

I've also been an internet missionary since 1998 and so have been to a lot of faith-based forums. But besides the Catholic-convert forums (where born-again Christians are out-numbered at least one thousand to one), I don't think I've been quite so mis-treatment upon my first post anywhere besides here. Apparent to me is that the newbies are automatically suspect, or "not worthy" of this worthy forum, while the regulars, no matter how foul in their approach, have license to sputter and "kick the goads" right out of the place. Or at least they succeed in getting the entire threads of the newbies deleted by their own offensive remarks.

I know my message, charging the National Association of Evangelicals "poster child" with conduct unbecoming an "officer" of the church, is offensive right off the bat. That man sells a lot of books to the flock and has a far-reaching "ministry" in this country and, it turns out, in this country's White House as well. (Remember, he was a savvy and skillful politician long before he was a Christian soldier; one cunning enough to have encouraged the President of the United States to lie, cheat and cover-up his crime. And all of that to maintain a powerful role.)

But my warning to the church itself notwithstanding, the response of some members of this forum who are threatened by it, has in my opinion, been shameful.

I've made it clear that my concern is the salvation of the lost, not the toppling of any single leader in the church. The largest single mission field (sixty-six million, and growing) stands white unto harvest right under the nose of the Protestant church in America. And in the hour of their greatest crisis last year, it all but begged the church for the good news of the Gospel. Yet most I've heard from on this forum are more concerned about the REPUTATION of that one "Christian leader" than the salvation of sixty-six million Roman Catholics in this country!

How dare you call yourselves "evangelical" Christians. Don't you realize that that word means "good news givers"? It does not mean "politician protectors!"

Jesus told us clearly, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place" (John 18:36).

One senior here even presumed to tell me, a former member of the very mission field I am now an evangelist to, that although they were never a member of that mission field themselves, they know how best to reach it. He told me how to go about winning these millions probably never having read a single book on the subject, and certainly never having written one. Don't ask me how one gets so smart about so much!

I hope you'll all grow in truth and in grace around here; pray to clean up your act and clear out the chaff from the wheat first of all, eh? Maybe then you'll be more profitable. The lost Duanes of the world are dying to meet a church like that!

And so are the rest of us.

Take care,

RoS, Author "Fully Recovered Catholic," coming to secular bookstores next 4th of July

[JesusisGod2]

Okay, I was the one that protested Duane's threads the most, so here is my opinion on the whole thing.

Coolwaters, you say Duane was honestly searching. The way I see it, his actions spoke louder than his words. Though he would declare that he would take our words into consideration, he never did. Instead, he would immediately start another post about his doctrine. He was teaching, not asking. Also, by his own words this was not his first board to do this. Again, he was not seeking answers, he was teaching. I know things don't happen overnight, but if he were truly searching he would stop teaching long enough to listen. He did not.

OneAccord and Cats, at first glance a section for non-believers sounds good. But then aren't we are just like the other boards that get low marks? We've all looked at the other boards and chose to come here instead. This is supposed to be a Christian forum, for edifying the body of Christ, a respite from the "world" in which to fellowship. Or am I mistaken? I personally think it's wonderful when one that is truly searching comes here and does learn and does find Jesus. However, it's various opinions as to whether an individual is a searcher or a tare.

I love this place. I love all the family here. I have found encouragement and assurances here. I have been taught and loved here. I have found true brothers and sisters here. I have grown here. This is a good place and a good ministry that George has been called to. You guys know me - I am here everyday and have been for nearly two years. Over this time many have come and gone with false doctrines. There will be more. We are in the falling away period.

Perhaps I am all wrong here. But you should all know this. Duane was not de-membered. He can still come and read. Is he searching? Is he seeking answers? If so, he is still welcome to come here to learn.

Okay, fire away.

Hi Trav,

I have to say I am agreement with you here.

After a while I just quit responding and just viewed the posts because I felt he just wasnt taking in to consideration anything anyone else posted.

I also felt he was loading questions to purposely try and set one up so as to introduce more of his teachings of false doctrine, even when presented with the truth. He definately wasnt here to learn but to decieve.

In Gal 1:8-9 Paul states

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."

This was so important to Paul that he repeated it in verse 9.

Part of the gospel (good news) is not only have we been forgiven our sins but have been set free from the works and power of the devil.

Duane maybe not knowingly was on the side of darkness by his teaching that more or less denied the very existance of the devil and then later tried to equate him as God himself when saying he was the brother of Jesus Himself, which would mean that he wasnt created but existed from the beggining.

Paul Also Says in 1 Cor 5:11

"But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that be called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer or a drunkard, or an extrotioner; with such an one, no not to eat.

verse 12 .......do ye not judge them that are within?

This may seem harsh to "run one off" but if they are coming in the name of Jesus and preaching contrary to His teachings, then we are to "..put away from among yourselves that wicked person" 1 Cor 5:13

Now should this person repent we are to restore fellowship with him. There is a difference between what the shallow meaning of what love has become today and the biblical meaning of love.

There were many here who reached out to Duane to correct his error but he insisted on bring this false doctrine to the boards through several different threads and refused to listen to the truth.

The early new testament church did not tolerate it and they are the ones who have set forth the example for us to follow.

[George]

Let's just review real fast the precepts Duane was espousing.

1. Adam was Satan.

2. Satan and Jesus were brothers.

3. Serpent seed theology.

James 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

I don't mind being in the hot seat as far as why decisions are made and for what reason they are made. But before people jump on the criticism bandwagon -- there's always more than meets the eye.

There are specific reasons why things are done, but honestly I am not out to please anyone! I have one Lord whom I serve. I do not serve people to win their favor -- I serve people for His sake!

Nobody on this board will sit in judgment for how this forum is run except ME! Do you really believe I am concerned about people -- when my Lord is watching? When judgment is laid -- every secret will be exposed -- everything will be revealed -- and in that time the only words I want to hear -- "Well done, thou good and faithful servant!"

Your brother in Messiah with much agape love,

George

[Crusader4Christ]

RoS, it seems all you care about here is talking about the book you wrote and

how you have a ministry. PLease. You have hurt a few people on these boards

already, and we don't need anymore hurt souls.

Duane was very convinced that he was receiving new revelations from God, and has proclaimed alot of heretical-like material. He was speaking things on

how Adam was the serpent in the garden, how Jesus and Satan were brothers, and other heretical things.

If you actually read his threads, you would see he wasn't too keen on learning

himself, but just wanted to post nonsense which didn't correspond with the

Bible.

And ever since you have gotten here, you have been constantly judging other

people: Catholics, Charles "Chuck" Colson, and others, and you have offended others on this board as well, like Catsmeow said. Why don't you just

learn to not judge others. Are you God? Can you judge a person's heart?

Matthew 7:1-5

1 "Judge not, that ye be not judged."

2 "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

3 "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in  thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thy own eye?"

4 "Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?"

5 "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

Romans 2:1-3

1 "Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things."

2 "But we are sure that the judgment of God is

according to truth against them which commit such things."

3 "And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest

them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the

judgment of God?"

RoS, we'd be glad to discuss biblical studies with you, and we'd be more then

happy to accept you in as a sister, so that we can all glorify the Lord's name, together.

Wouldn't you rather share stories and bible studies with the Body of Christ,

rather than judge and condemn others?

Please consider it.

[Guest RoS]

RoS, it seems all you care about here is talking about the book you wrote and

how you have a ministry. PLease. You have hurt a few people on these boards

already, and we don't need anymore hurt souls.

Duane was very convinced that he was receiving new revelations from God, and has proclaimed alot of heretical-like material. He was speaking things on

how Adam was the serpent in the garden, how Jesus and Satan were brothers, and other heretical things.

If you actually read his threads, you would see he wasn't too keen on learning

himself, but just wanted to post nonsense which didn't correspond with the

Bible.

And ever since you have gotten here, you have been constantly judging other

people: Catholics, Charles "Chuck" Colson, and others, and you have offended others on this board as well, like Catsmeow said. Why don't you just

learn to not judge others. Are you God? Can you judge a person's heart?

Matthew 7:1-5

1 "Judge not, that ye be not judged."

2 "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

3 "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in  thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thy own eye?"

4 "Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?"

5 "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

Romans 2:1-3

1 "Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things."

2 "But we are sure that the judgment of God is

according to truth against them which commit such things."

3 "And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest

them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the

judgment of God?"

RoS, we'd be glad to discuss biblical studies with you, and we'd be more then

happy to accept you in as a sister, so that we can all glorify the Lord's name, together.

Wouldn't you rather share stories and bible studies with the Body of Christ,

rather than judge and condemn others?

Please consider it.

Dear "Crusader4Christ,"

Who are you criticizing now?

Everyone in the world (and especially people who post on these sorts of forums) has an "agenda." Didn't you just give us evidence of yours in this message right here for me?

I never presumed to know Duane or his agenda (and how could I? He isn't here anymore!). But your agenda here is clear: "Hear no evil. See no evil. Speak no evil," whether or not it is crouched at the door.

Take care,

RoS

"Folly is built up in the heart of a fool" (Psalms)

[Crusader4Christ]

RoS, I'm not criticizing anyone. I'm telling you the truth. There are many on these boards who also witnessed Duane's heretical posts.

Agenda? No RoS, I don't have an agenda here. I don't need an agenda. But it

seems you do have one here.

So, Let me ask again, wouldn't you rather glorify the name of the Lord, than

judge and condemn others?

Please. I don't want to argue with you. It's not Christ-like. Like I said, we will

gladly accept you as a sister in the Body of Christ.

[Ovedya]

I think that we all understand the difference between pointing out heresy and error and showing no love or concern for the person spreading the error. As ministers of Christ our first concern should be to minister Christ in a loving way. Second, we take care of the feeding and caring for the flock. When we point our error it should be done in a caring and loving way. Love the sinner; hate the sin, and all that. Blasting away at a person with epithets and character assassinations does nothing to recover a lost sinner.

IMHO

[Crusader4Christ]

I think that we all understand the differnece between pointing out heresy and error and showing no love or concern for the person spreading the error. As ministers of Christ our first concern should be to minister Christ in a loving way. Second, we take care of the feeding and caring for the flock. When we point our error it should be done in a caring and loving way. Love the sinner, hate the sin, and all that. Blasting away at a person with epithets and character assisinations does nothing to recover a lost sinner.

IMHO

GodMan, was that directed to me, or RoS, or everyone?

[Bill]

"When the truth is used as a battering ram, the opposition is never concious to accept it or discuss it in the end. Speak the truth in love."