Questions Regarding "Prophets"

[Ephraimite]

What about hurricane katrina? Wouldn't have been nice to have a tested group of prophets tell us specifically about it and warn us?

There were. No one listened because they weren't famous.

We have no shortage of prophetic utterances.

We have a lack of discernment in too many "shepherds" compounded by a spiritual coma state. We are feeding our souls instead of our spirits in most congregations of the west.

Bravo Yod!

Who?

Who gave the prophecies?

Here is one of Joesph Smith's fulfilled prophecies.

THE

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS

OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 87

Revelation and prophecy on war, given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, December 25, 1832. This section was received at a time when the brethren were reflecting and reasoning upon African slavery on the American continent and the slavery of the children of men throughout the world.

1 Verily, thus saith the Lord concerning the wars that will shortly come to pass, beginning at the rebellion of South Carolina, which will eventually terminate in the death and misery of many souls;

2 And the time will come that war will be poured out upon all nations, beginning at this place.

3 For behold, the Southern States shall be divided against the Northern States, and the Southern States will call on other nations, even the nation of Great Britain, as it is called, and they shall also call upon other nations, in order to defend themselves against other nations; and then war shall be poured out upon all nations.

4 And it shall come to pass, after many days, slaves shall rise up against their masters, who shall be marshaled and disciplined for war.

5 And it shall come to pass also that the remnants who are left of the land will marshal themselves, and shall become exceedingly angry, and shall vex the Gentiles with a sore vexation.

6 And thus, with the sword and by bloodshed the inhabitants of the earth shall mourn; and with famine, and plague, and earthquake, and the thunder of heaven, and the fierce and vivid lightning also, shall the inhabitants of the earth be made to feel the wrath, and indignation, and chastening hand of an Almighty God, until the consumption decreed hath made a full end of all nations;

7 That the cry of the saints, and of the blood of the saints, shall cease to come up into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth, from the earth, to be avenged of their enemies.

8 Wherefore, stand ye in holy places, and be not moved, until the day of the Lord come; for behold, it cometh quickly, saith the Lord. Amen

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I figured you were a Mormon.

Of course, Smith made this prophecy right after South Carolina had just attempted to leave the Union over the Amistad incident so it didn't take a brainiac to figure out what would occur...

Jackie, do you now understand the importance of being critical and discerning...you gave a thumbs up to Mormon theology.

Regardless, let's look at just one of his prophecies.

Verily, thus saith the Lord: It is wisdom in my servant David W. Patten, that he settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make a disposition of his merchandise, that he may perform a mission unto me next spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself, to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto the world. (Doctrine & Covenants 114:1)

Too bad that Patten died in 1838 before being able to complete this.

I also highly doubt that Smith was too concerned about slavery considering he believed that blacks were fallen angels.

You skipped over the part of Joseph Smith's prophecy about where he chose the state where the first shots of the Civil War were fired, Fort Sumter. He also prophesied that the South would seek help from Great Britain. Great Britain was seriously considering intervening for the South until the South's defeat at Gettysburg. Joseph Smith also predicted that Great Britian would seek help in defending itself from other nations which is what happened in WWII. Are those lucky guesses?

With regards that David Patten died before he could serve a mission. In 2 Kings 20:1-6, King Hezekiah was "sick unto death." The prophet Isaiah said, "Thus saith the Lord, Set thine house in order; for thou shalt die, and not live." Hezekiah then prays for mercy. Minutes later (v 4) Isaiah returns to Hezekiah and tells him that God has heard his prayers and Isaiah tells Hezekiah he will live 15 more years. Does that make Isaiah a false prophet?

With regards to Joseph Smith and you saying that he believed that blacks are fallen angels. He never said anything of the sort. I quote from Joseph Smith dating January 2, 1843, "Elder Hyde inquired the situation of the negro. They have souls, and are subjects of Salvation. Go into Cincinnati or any city, and find an educated negro, and you will see a man who has risen by the powers of his own mind to his exalted state of respectibility. The slaves in Washington are more refined than many in high places, and the black boys will take the shine off many of those they brush and wait on." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p 269).

I'm not here to convice anybody that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. But if someone is sincerely wants to know about the life of Joseph Smith, I recomment watching a documentary by the Vermon Public Broadcasting Company titles "American Prophet." It is a very good non-biased documentary on his life. And last of all, ask God if Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God. That's what I did.

Holy Cow, I need to brush up on my spelling before submitting.

[RGR]

What about hurricane katrina? Wouldn't have been nice to have a tested group of prophets tell us specifically about it and warn us?

There were. No one listened because they weren't famous.

We have no shortage of prophetic utterances.

We have a lack of discernment in too many "shepherds" compounded by a spiritual coma state. We are feeding our souls instead of our spirits in most congregations of the west.

Bravo Yod!

Who?

Who gave the prophecies?

Here is one of Joesph Smith's fulfilled prophecies.

THE

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS

OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 87

Revelation and prophecy on war, given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, December 25, 1832. This section was received at a time when the brethren were reflecting and reasoning upon African slavery on the American continent and the slavery of the children of men throughout the world.

1 Verily, thus saith the Lord concerning the wars that will shortly come to pass, beginning at the rebellion of South Carolina, which will eventually terminate in the death and misery of many souls;

2 And the time will come that war will be poured out upon all nations, beginning at this place.

3 For behold, the Southern States shall be divided against the Northern States, and the Southern States will call on other nations, even the nation of Great Britain, as it is called, and they shall also call upon other nations, in order to defend themselves against other nations; and then war shall be poured out upon all nations.

4 And it shall come to pass, after many days, slaves shall rise up against their masters, who shall be marshaled and disciplined for war.

5 And it shall come to pass also that the remnants who are left of the land will marshal themselves, and shall become exceedingly angry, and shall vex the Gentiles with a sore vexation.

6 And thus, with the sword and by bloodshed the inhabitants of the earth shall mourn; and with famine, and plague, and earthquake, and the thunder of heaven, and the fierce and vivid lightning also, shall the inhabitants of the earth be made to feel the wrath, and indignation, and chastening hand of an Almighty God, until the consumption decreed hath made a full end of all nations;

7 That the cry of the saints, and of the blood of the saints, shall cease to come up into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth, from the earth, to be avenged of their enemies.

8 Wherefore, stand ye in holy places, and be not moved, until the day of the Lord come; for behold, it cometh quickly, saith the Lord. Amen

I figured you were a Mormon.

Of course, Smith made this prophecy right after South Carolina had just attempted to leave the Union over the Amistad incident so it didn't take a brainiac to figure out what would occur...

Jackie, do you now understand the importance of being critical and discerning...you gave a thumbs up to Mormon theology.

Regardless, let's look at just one of his prophecies.

Verily, thus saith the Lord: It is wisdom in my servant David W. Patten, that he settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make a disposition of his merchandise, that he may perform a mission unto me next spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself, to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto the world. (Doctrine & Covenants 114:1)

Too bad that Patten died in 1838 before being able to complete this.

I also highly doubt that Smith was too concerned about slavery considering he believed that blacks were fallen angels.

You skipped over the part of Joseph Smith's prophecy about where he chose the state where the first shots of the Civil War were fired, Fort Sumter. He also prophesied that the South would seek help from Great Britain. Great Britain was seriously considering intervening for the South until the South's defeat at Gettysburg. Joseph Smith also predicted that Great Britian would seek help in defending itself from other nations which is what happened in WWII. Are those lucky guesses?

With regards that David Patten died before he could serve a mission. In 2 Kings 20:1-6, King Hezekiah was "sick unto death." The prophet Isaiah said, "Thus saith the Lord, Set thine house in order; for thou shalt die, and not live." Hezekiah then prays for mercy. Minutes later (v 4) Isaiah returns to Hezekiah and tells him that God has heard his prayers and Isaiah tells Hezekiah he will live 15 more years. Does that make Isaiah a false prophet?

With regards to Joseph Smith and you saying that he believed that blacks are fallen angels. He never said anything of the sort. I quote from Joseph Smith dating January 2, 1843, "Elder Hyde inquired the situation of the negro. They have souls, and are subjects of Salvation. Go into Cincinnati or any city, and find an educated negro, and you will see a man who has risen by the powers of his own mind to his exalted state of respectibility. The slaves in Washington are more refined than many in high places, and the black boys will take the shine off many of those they brush and wait on." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p 269).

I'm not here to convice anybody that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. But if someone is sincerely wants to know about the life of Joseph Smith, I recomment watching a documentary by the Vermon Public Broadcasting Company titles "American Prophet." It is a very good non-biased documentary on his life. And last of all, ask God if Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God. That's what I did.

Stop proselytizing Mormon theology on these boards or you will be placed on mod review.

[apothanein kerdos]

You skipped over the part of Joseph Smith's prophecy about where he chose the state where the first shots of the Civil War were fired, Fort Sumter. He also prophesied that the South would seek help from Great Britain. Great Britain was seriously considering intervening for the South until the South's defeat at Gettysburg. Joseph Smith also predicted that Great Britian would seek help in defending itself from other nations which is what happened in WWII. Are those lucky guesses?

The prophecy says that Great Britian and other nations would get involved. In other words, Smith was only echoeing what everyone thought; a US Civil War would lead to another war between Britian and France in which France would attempt to invade a weakend Britian.

[Guest jckduboise]

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Stop proselytizing Mormon theology on these boards or you will be placed on mod review.

what does proselytyizing mean?

[ayin jade]

pros

[Guest jckduboise]

Yod said

There were. No one listened because they weren't famous.

We have no shortage of prophetic utterances.

We have a lack of discernment in too many "shepherds" compounded by a spiritual coma state. We are feeding our souls instead of our spirits in most congregations of the west.

I gave thumbsup to the last part of this statement: We are feeding our souls instead of our spirits in most congregations of the west.

The statement was quite profound and very true..

AK said

Jackie, do you now understand the importance of being critical and discerning...you gave a thumbs up to Mormon theology.

I don't really care what I gave a thumbs up to..it was an accurate statement..

Every body these days look for the feel good, easy way to do things and that is what my thumbs up was about..mormon theology or not..it was a truthfull statement..So being critical and discerning this statement and the meaning of my aproval were accurate on my part. And not on yours..

Do you understand AK reading fully what you see and taking into consideration that not everybody looks at things as you do? I appreciate your attempt to teach me once again but no thank you..again AK my teacher is God.

Blessings

[Guest jckduboise]

pros

[apothanein kerdos]

Would we have such a wide variety of confusion of the Bible if we had a prophet on the earth today to tell us the correct interpretaion of scripture?

Yes, we would.

Just because you have a prophet, that doesn't mean everybody, or even anybody, is going to listen to him.

If a prophet of the likes of Elijah were preaching today, half the church world would be overturned in a matter of days, and there'd be "christians" trying to kill him, and telling him to shut up because what he said was too harsh.

That is exactly true. Christians do not accept real prophets. The false ones are very readily accepted.

I believe in modern day prophets. How do I know they are prophets? I have prayed about them and studied their "fruits". The Holy Spirit has confirmed to me they are prophets of God. God is a God of order, not a God of confusion. Any church claiming to be the only true church of God must be led by a prophet, who has been called of God.

You're right regarding people not listening to prophets. In the times of the Bible, people did not hearken to the teachings of Moses, Isaiah, Ezekial and such. But the ones that did listen to them were blessed. Revelation from God to His prophets, regardless of the time we live in, always trumps scripture. "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." (Amos 3:7)

I'm speaking of this Jackie. YOu essentially thumbed up the idea that we need a prophet to lead us, thus ruining your idea that "God teaches you." If you think this is a good idea that sounds wonderful, you need to drop that line.

None of us are autonomous...a person who claims to learn from God but is not accountable to the body of believers is merely shoving himself into a cult prospect.

[eric]

We used to have a poster on this board who went under the screen name of VOG. It seems to me that he has a lot of disciples....that is if he hasn't come back again, using a different name.

[Guest jckduboise]

Would we have such a wide variety of confusion of the Bible if we had a prophet on the earth today to tell us the correct interpretaion of scripture?

Yes, we would.

Just because you have a prophet, that doesn't mean everybody, or even anybody, is going to listen to him.

If a prophet of the likes of Elijah were preaching today, half the church world would be overturned in a matter of days, and there'd be "christians" trying to kill him, and telling him to shut up because what he said was too harsh.

That is exactly true. Christians do not accept real prophets. The false ones are very readily accepted.

I believe in modern day prophets. How do I know they are prophets? I have prayed about them and studied their "fruits". The Holy Spirit has confirmed to me they are prophets of God. God is a God of order, not a God of confusion. Any church claiming to be the only true church of God must be led by a prophet, who has been called of God.

You're right regarding people not listening to prophets. In the times of the Bible, people did not hearken to the teachings of Moses, Isaiah, Ezekial and such. But the ones that did listen to them were blessed. Revelation from God to His prophets, regardless of the time we live in, always trumps scripture. "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." (Amos 3:7)

I'm speaking of this Jackie. YOu essentially thumbed up the idea that we need a prophet to lead us, thus ruining your idea that "God teaches you." If you think this is a good idea that sounds wonderful, you need to drop that line.

None of us are autonomous...a person who claims to learn from God but is not accountable to the body of believers is merely shoving himself into a cult prospect.

Think what you like AK, I don't care and would you kindly respect my request and stop trying to teach me. I do not care for your docterines or theologies..you are wasting your time on me. You get plenty attention from others with your extensively worded threads that you will be okay if I do not give you your proverbial pat on the back too.

Blessings