Questions Regarding "Prophets"

[Guest jckduboise]

whew!! I thank God for those like yourself Sue

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

I have a sincere question.

Where do we draw the line on the Prophetic? What is our measuring line?

It has been noted in this very thread that it make no matter if the Prophetic comes from a Mormon. I have to strongly disagree with this. Should we take the Prophetic utterances of a Mormon?

Peace,

Dave

[Guest jckduboise]

Grace to you,

I have a sincere question.

Where do we draw the line on the Prophetic? What is our measuring line?

It has been noted in this very thread that it make no matter if the Prophetic comes from a Mormon. I have to strongly disagree with this. Should we take the Prophetic utterances of a Mormon?

Peace,

Dave

I also have a question..how can anyone possibly consider drawing a line? Paul who was Saul was a persecutor.

Am I in support of Mormon..no!..is it possible that prophets could come from people who are or once were Mormon..oh yeah! With God anything is possible

[ayin jade]

I also have a question..how can anyone possibly consider drawing a line?

WOW! Jesus tells us to beware of false prophets. You have to draw a line. He tells us to.

[eric]

CFS wrote.

Would you say that Paul and Jeremiah were not true prophets of God? Were they prideful?

No they were very humble and were annointed to write their words down for the whole world to see. They certainly weren't wannabes and weren't looking for a pat on the back. We know God spoke to them because it is in His Holy Word.

Jesus said He came to fulfil the laws of Moses and the words of the prophets and He left the apostles to finish to preach His gospel. Finito. Everything we need to know is in the bible........that is, as far as I'm concerned.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Sister,

There was a measuring line with Paul formerly Saul as well. When he first came to the Disciples. They were leary of him after having followed his reputation. However after they saw his Fruit and that it was indeed of the Spirt. They took him in and Discipled him.

Now I want to make a point here in all sincerety. Without examining the Fruit of this Morman some were going to accept his Prophecy merely based upon the Spiritual. However we do have the Physical Word with which to Judge the Spiritual fruit by.

Those in Berea were more Noble than those in Thessalonica. They examined the Scriptures against what Paul and Silas were Preaching. Noting whether or not the things preached were so.

Ac

[Guest jckduboise]

I also have a question..how can anyone possibly consider drawing a line?

WOW! Jesus tells us to beware of false prophets. You have to draw a line. He tells us to.

And when it is discerned that they are false prophets by testing the spirit of the prophecy then the line has been drawn..

What I have seen is a lot of however, is that people simply don't like what they are hearing and automatically call the person giving the word a false prophet.

This is drawing a line in itself and could prove to be dangerous to those who decide that the word cannot possibly be from God without testing where it has actually come from.

That is what I meant by that question. It seems to me that many stones are thrown in the direction of prophecy..a lot!

[Guest jckduboise]

Grace to you,

Sister,

There was a measuring line with Paul formerly Saul as well. When he first came to the Disciples. They were leary of him after having followed his reputation. However after they saw his Fruit and that it was indeed of the Spirt. They took him in and Discipled him.

Now I want to make a point here in all sincerety. Without examining the Fruit of this Morman some were going to accept his Prophecy merely based upon the Spiritual. However we do have the Physical Word with which to Judge the Spiritual fruit by.

Those in Berea were more Noble than those in Thessalonica. They examined the Scriptures against what Paul and Silas were Preaching. Noting whether or not the things preached were so.

Ac

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Sister I hear you loud and clearly.

If this is the case then we should not be at all surprised when some of the brethren begin to examine the Fruit of said Prophets. We should be all the more joyful at the fact that upon examination such prophetic utterances will give Glory to our Lord.

We should also not be upset or hurt over the fact that the Fruit is being examined. Matter of fact it should reassure us all the more.

As an example, being a Moderator here I have an accountability. First to God. This leads me to treat the brethren here with Love as it is my High calling here. This keeps me in service to God. Washing feet as it were. I am also accountable to the other Moderators. Starting with George for he is Worthy's Chief Steward. Then all the Watchmen. As well my Fruit should be examined by the brethren here as well.

This way I operate in the open and not ashamed to be called a Servant of the Lord. Neither should I be if I were a Prophet and were to be examined. As well accountable in the same manner.

Here is a recent pinned post by George concerning the Prophetic on Worthy;

Shalom saints!

First of all, thank for participating in our community, it is our hope and joy that you continue to grow and abound in the fullness of the Lord in His love, peace and power!

Please spend a few minutes reading this thread carefully so you understand where our ministry stands as far as this particular forum is concerned.

The purpose of the Prophecy Forum is to discuss specific Bible Prophecy and how posters believe it relates to the world around us.

Testimony of first-hand extra-Biblical prophetic experiencies or interpretations of those experiences are welcome for discussion with and scrutiny by the brethren as long as they do not contradict or undermine the accepted Word of God or our Statement of Faith.

It is never appropriate for prophetic experiences of someone other than than the alledged prophet to be posted since they are not here to defend themselves. (Be sure to read the warning given by the Lord in Jeremiah at the end of this thread as to the Biblical reasoning behind our concerns!)

Anything outside of the scope of this will be removed.

The following passage has been abbreviated, but reading the entire chapter you can fully understand the warning given by the Lord given for us in the last days!

Jeremiah 23:16-40 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD....For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it? .... The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them ... Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence: And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.

It is the concern of the Ministry that we are to be focused on the Lord and His Word concerning the Prophetic.

In this way we will not be sidetracked or shifted off focus.

May God bless you,

Your brother in the Lord with much agape love,

George

It is at the top of the forum for all to read. it is how we seek to approach the Prophetic here at Worthy. We believe it to be Biblical.

The key part in this dialogue, IMO, I have highlighted.

Testimony of first-hand extra-Biblical prophetic experiencies or interpretations of those experiences are welcome for discussion with and scrutiny by the brethren as long as they do not contradict or undermine the accepted Word of God or our Statement of Faith.

In light of this we should be willing and ready to have the Prophetic posted here examined. As a matter of fact it should bring us Joy and Great Glory to the Lord in that it does indeed hold up to scrutiny.

Scrutiny by the Word keeps us all Grounded. If we are grounded? We do not fear the Scrutiny.

Upon examination it will become clear from whence the utterance came and all the more the Body will be edified. The edification of the Body is one of the Chief calls on this Ministry.

Mighty Blessings to you my Brother In Christ

Thank you dear sister, I accept your Blessing in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The Lord richly Bless you too dear sister.

Peace,

Dave

[Guest jckduboise]

Grace to you,

Sister I hear you loud and clearly.

If this is the case then we should not be at all surprised when some of the brethren begin to examine the Fruit of said Prophets. We should be all the more joyful at the fact that upon examination such prophetic utterances will give Glory to our Lord.

We should also not be upset or hurt over the fact that the Fruit is being examined. Matter of fact it should reassure us all the more.

As an example, being a Moderator here I have an accountability. First to God. This leads me to treat the brethren here with Love as it is my High calling here. This keeps me in service to God. Washing feet as it were. I am also accountable to the other Moderators. Starting with George for he is Worthy's Chief Steward. Then all the Watchmen. As well my Fruit should be examined by the brethren here as well.

This way I operate in the open and not ashamed to be called a Servant of the Lord. Neither should I be if I were a Prophet and were to be examined. As well accountable in the same manner.

Here is a recent pinned post by George concerning the Prophetic on Worthy;

Shalom saints!

First of all, thank for participating in our community, it is our hope and joy that you continue to grow and abound in the fullness of the Lord in His love, peace and power!

Please spend a few minutes reading this thread carefully so you understand where our ministry stands as far as this particular forum is concerned.

The purpose of the Prophecy Forum is to discuss specific Bible Prophecy and how posters believe it relates to the world around us.

Testimony of first-hand extra-Biblical prophetic experiencies or interpretations of those experiences are welcome for discussion with and scrutiny by the brethren as long as they do not contradict or undermine the accepted Word of God or our Statement of Faith.

It is never appropriate for prophetic experiences of someone other than than the alledged prophet to be posted since they are not here to defend themselves. (Be sure to read the warning given by the Lord in Jeremiah at the end of this thread as to the Biblical reasoning behind our concerns!)

Anything outside of the scope of this will be removed.

The following passage has been abbreviated, but reading the entire chapter you can fully understand the warning given by the Lord given for us in the last days!

Jeremiah 23:16-40 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD....For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it? .... The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them ... Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence: And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.

It is the concern of the Ministry that we are to be focused on the Lord and His Word concerning the Prophetic.

In this way we will not be sidetracked or shifted off focus.

May God bless you,

Your brother in the Lord with much agape love,

George

It is at the top of the forum for all to read. it is how we seek to approach the Prophetice here at Worthy. We believe it to be Biblical.

The key part in this dialogue, IMO, I have highlighted.

Testimony of first-hand extra-Biblical prophetic experiencies or interpretations of those experiences are welcome for discussion with and scrutiny by the brethren as long as they do not contradict or undermine the accepted Word of God or our Statement of Faith.

in light of this we should be willing and ready to have the Prophetic posted here examined. As a matter of fact it should bring us Joy and Great Glory to the Lord in that it does indeed hold up to scrutiny.

Scrutiny by the Word keeps us all Grounded. If we are grounded? We do not fear the Scrutiny.

upon examination it will become clear from whence the utterance came and all the more the Body will be edified.

The Lord richly Bless you dear sister.

Peace,

Dave

and you as well