Israel at war

[ajesuschrist_mathetes]

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev016.html#1

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Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

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http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze038.html#1

Listen to Bible:

King James Version (KJV) Ezekiel - Chapter 38

Eze 38:1

[ajesuschrist_mathetes]

More on "birth pangs":

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6081401161.html

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'Birth Pangs' of What?

By Richard Cohen

Tuesday, August 15, 2006; Page A13

The "birth pangs" are over. This was the term used by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to describe the war between Israel (supported by the United States) and Hezbollah (supported by Iran). If she is right, let us see what has come out: a defeat for the good guys, a victory for the bad guys (the "Islamic fascists" of President Bush's formulation) and some clear lessons. This has been a very hard birth.

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This seemingly abrupt shift to the ideological, to the religious, is the most noteworthy and ominous development of recent times. The fight is no longer over territory -- the West Bank, Gaza -- but over the very existence of Israel. The people who seem to hate Israel most, who will kill to kill it and die for it to die, are not reclaiming ancestral land -- no Iranian pines for his lost orange grove near Jaffa -- but instead cannot abide the very idea of Israel.

Democracies are in a fix. If your enemy will gladly die for his cause while you wouldn't think of dying for yours (not that you even know what it is: freedom? liberty?) then clearly the fight is not to the swift but to the suicidal. The obvious short-term remedy is cold, lethal technology. But the reliance on high-tech stuff has not subdued Iraq, and it utterly failed in Lebanon as well. These are the realities of the new warfare, and if they are the "birth pangs of the new Middle East," then what is being produced is not some cute, babbling democracies but a hideous monster.

Just wait until he reaches for a nuclear weapon.

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[ajesuschrist_mathetes]

Richard Cohen is the second commentator {George Will was the first-approx 2 months ago} I have encountered who see a lot of indicators that World War III is coming. George Will commented on a bunch of recent "surprises" that had WWI and WWII parallels:Hezbollah's attack of Israel, Israel's response and more.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6082101143.html

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Mideast Echoes Of 1938

By Richard Cohen

Tuesday, August 22, 2006; Page A15

In his upcoming book about the horrors of the 20th century, "The War of the World," the British historian Niall Ferguson has a chapter called "The Pity of Peace." It is about 1938, when World War II loomed, and Britain -- especially and importantly Britain -- did precious little to stop it. The warnings of Churchill -- "believe me, it may be the last chance . . ." -- were ignored, and the government under Neville Chamberlain obstinately pursued a policy that forever after made the word appeasement one of the most odious in history. Somehow, though, it looks like 1938 all over again.

The events in the Middle East are often compared to 1914 and the start of World War I. That war -- the Great War, the war to end all wars -- is actually the all-purpose war. It not only began for what seemed like a trivial reason (the assassination of someone who wasn't a head of state) but it was fought with tenacity and brutality for what now seems no reason at all. In the end, millions died and the world was utterly changed. Why?

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But when it comes to the Middle East, 1938 is also a pretty instructive year. At the moment, the United Nations has committed itself to maintaining peace in Lebanon. It has done so by saying it will interpose an armed force between Israel on the one hand and Hezbollah on the other. At the same time, the Lebanese army will -- as it has already started to do -- invade its own country (gasp!), securing the south for the first time in decades.

A critical part of that plan is the establishment of the international peacekeeping force. It is supposed to have 15,000 troops, who will join 15,000 Lebanese troops to ensure that Hezbollah is not rearmed with Iranian and Syrian missiles and that Israel not only pulls out of Lebanon but stays out. The backbone of the international force is supposed to come from Europe, particularly France. It was France, in fact, that was most insistent on the establishment of the force.

Now France is having second thoughts . . . or cold feet . . . or mere questions. If it is the last, that's understandable. The French military is said to worry about the command structure, since this was a problem with the U.N. force in Bosnia in the 1990s. Command structure, though, was not nearly the whole problem in the Balkans. After all, Dutch soldiers were on the spot when Bosnian troops massacred Muslim men and boys at Srebrenica. It is hard to this day to account for what happened.

If only questions about the command structure vexed the French, there would be little cause for worry. But there are ample signs that more is at work here than a table of organization. Maybe the French and other Europeans have just plain lost the political will. The upshot is that now there is no international force worth its name in Lebanon -- certainly not one willing and able to shoot.

This inability of Europe to get its act together is what suggests 1938. Back then, Winston Churchill was hardly the only one who thought Hitler was intent on war. After all, the German leader was an ideological zealot and a murderer to boot. Still, England did little. Similarly, you don't have to have Churchillian prescience to see that what happened once in Lebanon can happen again. Hezbollah's avowed aim is to eradicate Israel. Listen to what it says. Pay attention. It will renew its attacks the first chance it gets. This is why it exists.

When George Bush used the term "Islamic fascists," he had a point. But it's futile to use colorful language when, in reality, you're out of the conversation altogether. This is another baleful consequence of the Iraq war. The United States is not only preoccupied, it is loathed. The leadership it once was able to exert -- especially in the Middle East -- is a thing of the past. If its credibility is to be restored, another president will have to do so. In the meantime, as we always learn, Europe without American leadership is a mere tourist destination.

What's striking about Ferguson's account of 1938 is the almost total absence of Franklin D. Roosevelt. The American president is almost never mentioned -- sidelined by the Great Depression and, more important, American isolationism. That year, too, Europe was left on its own, and England, pathetically, was not up to the job. Now, by default, the leadership of Europe has slipped to France. We can all sense war coming and a kind of crazy chronology forming like storm clouds for all to see -- 1938 becoming 1914.

Oui ?

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[ajesuschrist_mathetes]

Another piece of data [see picture #3] re <Zechariah 13:1-> and other Scriptures re nations being gathered toward Jerusalem and Armageddon [Revelation 16:16} {perhaps Ezekiel 38-39 and Gog/Magog also} approaching. I am sure hard-pressed to believe that He is NOT bringing this all to the end:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/5415744.stm

[Joshua-777]

Daniel 8

Vision of a Ram and a Goat

1 In the third year of the reign of King Belshazzar a vision appeared to me

[John R Nolan]

OK, since the other thread go hijacked . . .

Let's start over again, shall we?

This time, can we please keep it on the fighting going on in the Mid-East right now?

Thank-you!

[John R Nolan]

There is no doubt what is going on in the Middle East is Biblical prophecies being fulfilled

Scripture declares the generation that sees Israel return to her home, become a nation, after over 2,000 years of statelessness is Lk. 21:20-24

We know that the fig tree represents Israel, so part of this prophecy applies to Israel at that time, and what would happen to them after they murdered their Messiah, then reading from 25 to 33 we determine the Lord is speaking of a future date, when Israel, the fig tree, is putting forth her buds, not only is Israel bloooming, but so are all other trees, this did not happen before Israel became a nation in 1948

Summer is harvest time, and that is NOW, it is not coming, it is here

Vs. 32 "This generation, (the one that sees Israel become a nation again, ) will not pass away 'til ALL be fulfilled"

We already can see the anti Christ spreading her perversion of the Word through her network; shortly, possibly even now, the Word leaves the Gentile Church, as the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled, then the Word goes back to Israel, the Gentile dispensation is over and the tribulation is on

Israel is GOD'S calendar, it is by observing what is going on with her we can get an idea of where the program is up to

The Gentiles only got two days, (2,000 years 2 Pet.3:8) so our time is up, especially when you convert time to the Biblical year, which is 360 days

Israel is surrounded by her enemies, and we are at the end

There is a short study "Religious Warfare" in response on another topic, which may help

clarify the position Israel is in

This is count down, AMEN

[jackie d]

Personally I would just continue to pray for peace. As long as Israel is in turmoil, so shall all the Nations of the earth. When there is peace in Israel all Nations prosper.

For the end time enthusiast, also keep in mind that these are just the Footsteps of the Messiah, Jesus did say in Mathew 24:6

6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Peace

CJ

And because of Matthew 24:6 I would not pray for peace but the will of our Father.

[Guest yod]

And because of Matthew 24:6 I would not pray for peace but the will of our Father.

Why don't you think that shalom is ultimately His will?

We are never told to pray for the judgement of Israel.

If you want peace here then pray for peace there.

[jackie d]

And because of Matthew 24:6 I would not pray for peace but the will of our Father.

Why don't you think that shalom is ultimately His will?

We are never told to pray for the judgement of Israel.

If you want peace here then pray for peace there.

Absolutely I do Yod...however Christ said He came not to bring peace but the sword..through His word the sword will divide, cause war and kill so that peace will come.

I do not pray for the judgement of anyone. I pray for the will of the Father to be done. Which is what I have been instructed to do through Christ's example.

blessings

Edited October 24, 2006 by jackie d