Because of the angels?

[Guest Calamity]

I think one of the first questions I posted when I came here was about that subject - sons of God and daughters of men. I tend to lean towards that being fallen angels and human females also, but I'm not positive. It had to have been really, really bad for God to send the flood and destroy all but Noah and his family, and it happened relatively fast, compared to when Adam was created until the flood. The Book of Enoch (I know it's not Scripture), goes into fair detail about it, and there are a few verses in the Bible that seem to be referring to it also.

[Guest Calamity]

Wooo-hooooo! I just became a Veteran Member!

Wonder if that means I'm getting old?

[BlindSeeker]

The Lord put it upon my heart to address this very passage a couple of months ago, as well as this very question. I have already started my submittal on the subject, yet my present work load has been so taxing I set it aside to meet my other obligations. I will try to resume it Saturday.

Peace,

William

[traveller]

Wooo-hooooo! I just became a Veteran Member!

Wonder if that means I'm getting old?

Then what would a "senior member" make you?

[traveller]

The Lord put it upon my heart to address this very passage a couple of months ago, as well as this very question. I have already started my submittal on the subject, yet my present work load has been so taxing I set it aside to meet my other obligations. I will try to resume it Saturday.

Peace,

William

Brother, I look forward to it!

[Guest Calamity]

I look forward to it, too, Blindseeker.

Trav, I guess I was a plain ol' Senior, now I'm a veteran at it? LOL.

[RCruise]

Interesting. I was taught that the Corinthians knew what Paul meant, but that we cannot know definitively. It is a verse that has perplexed modern interpreters. We can only speculate. It is not core truth, of course.

I am sorry you received that teaching! In Truth, the Entire Word of God is open to all who seek the Kingdom of God. We also know that no Scripture is of private interpretation meaning that all the diverse views and opinions floating around today, all but one is wrong. The Holy Spirit opens our eyes first to the milk then to the meat of His Word. This does not mean that the Word changes as we grow neither in wording nor meaning but, that it takes on new depth and application in our Spiritual walk.

All we need is to read Paul's writings to understand that the "head" and "covering" he is talking about is the natural order that our God, who never changes: "Same yesterday, today and, tomorrow", built into creation from the beginning. Satan fell in the garden just as God commanded. God did not change Lucifer's nature nor created being but cursed him to be lower than all other creation. Yet, the remaining angels (two thirds) who did keep their hearts and obedience to the Lord - "First Estate" were then made protectors over creation because man had sinned and separated himself from God's direct presence. This is a simple thing and not that hard to understand. Now, knowing these things plus the consistent position of the angels to be ministers of God unto man even the Lord in the flesh, we can easily see even as John saw as he recorded in Revelation that they are ministering spirits who have not stopped from the beginning accomplishing all God directs them in. They withhold (let), the evil one, the antichrist, satan's own, until Michael is told to let him loose which is when his real reign of terror (tribulation) will begin.

And, until we are taken up in the First Resurrection at the sign of Jesus coming again, they shall continue in their duties unto man as God directs. As I said in my previous post, they know perfectly God's will and order. It is a shame unto their duty if the flesh is glorified while praying or prophesying in the spirit. The other part of the "head" or "covering" is the Spiritual head, the husband, must be in agreement with his wife for he is the spiritual head over his house and his family. His house must be "orderly" in the will of God. A woman who prays or prophesies outside of that "covering" or blessing and agreement of her husband brings shame upon him (her head).

Now I know this discourse probably raises the hairs on the necks of a few at least but, I ask those how can you say you love and believe ALL God's Word yet, be opposed to the direct straigtforward meaning before your eyes? Paul did go on to say that this wasn't a "ruling" or "doctrine" in any church but that it is Truth.

Regarding diverse teachings, I have this to say: Many ignore, excuse or, plain change the actual simplistic Truth of certain Scriptures to ease their own conscience or cover for their own lack of understanding.

[RCruise]

Procreation is of the flesh creatures only

That would mean that Christ was not immaculately conceived as the Bible says.

Luke 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Procreation is a flesh bound feature whether man or creature. The Holy Ghost Sanctified Mary's womb with God made flesh for Him (the Word of God) to indwell. There was no sex nor seed mingling involved! How on earth can you even compare this??

[RCruise]

I have to respectfully diagree with RCruise on this one. I believe this verse has everything to do with the fallen angels and their lust for the daughters of men.

In Jude 6 & 7 we see: "And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgement of the great day, as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh"

See also Genesis 6:1-4

The verse you inquire about, Calamity, has always fascinated me.

Jude

[tsth]

Although I don't understand it, and I'm not sure if it has anything to do with it, this verse of Scripture was brought to remembrance. Is it meaningful to this discussion?

1 Peter 3:7 Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered.

In His Love,

Suzanne