Left over Communion Wine/Juice

[irishcowboy]

Hi, Mike,

You quoted James as follows:

And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed.

You are correct that the text doesn't mention a priest. That does not mean a priest is an inappropriate person to hear your confession. For a whole lot of reasons you can probably think of yourself, you would be unlikely to confess your sins to just any old person in the Body of Christ. Right? The same idea no doubt occurred to the early Christians.

Spook

I have found through the years, that confessing ones sins to some one in the local body, is not always a good idea, actually, for the most part a poor idea, being there are people that do not know how to keep their mouth shut. this includes but not limited to the elders/deacons/trustees/even the pastor/pastors wife.

some of these are the worst about being a gossip.

my accountability partner(s) are not in the local fellowship. these are people that i can bounce ideas off of, people i can take problems to with out the worry of having some one hear it through the grapevine and get things twisted out of proportion...

one accountability partner is in Iceland, a citizen of Iceland, while I am in the USA.

a fault is a sin, a self enduced fault..... a person that is missing a leg has no fault they have committed, they are just missing a leg. when they do something wrong, they are at fault, they have sinned. the word is transferable....

sin; evil, crime, diablerie, iniquity, tort, wrong, wrongdoing, debt, wickedness, deficiency, demerit, fault, short coming, imperfection, offend, transgress.....

fault; imperfection deficiency, demerit, short coming, sin, infirmity, weakness, failing, frailty, vice, blemish, defect, flaw, blame, guilt, error, transgression....

I pray for the pastors daily for they have the hardest times with accountability.... they really have no one local to turn to... they have no one to really turn to for assistance, to off load a burden, for if they choose another pastor from another fellowship, well, sorry to say, that would be like suicide for them... especially small town USA....

some how, word gets out about everything that goes on, even if only one person is told, seems everyone knows.....

i had a supervisor one time, that knew where I went, who i saw and what we did, even before I did... would walk in the office and he would be asking how my date was, or how i bowled or would even know how many fish i caught or didnt catch.... scarry..... reallly, went fishing, and didnt see anyone, and he knew that i had been fishing and that i got skunked (meaning, did not catch anything)....

anyways, i need to head out, got a load of work to do today.....

[Guest Spook]

I have found through the years, that confessing ones sins to some one in the local body, is not always a good idea, actually, for the most part a poor idea, being there are people that do not know how to keep their mouth shut. this includes but not limited to the elders/deacons/trustees/even the pastor/pastors wife.

This is what I expected. I agree with you whole-heartedly, at least as far as your real and legitimate reservations apply to ordinary evangelical Christians and their churches. If I were in one of those environs, I would not go to ordinary Christians, nor would I be apt to go to anyone with "standing" in those environs (pastor, elder, deacon, trustee, etc.).

Why not? You implied a lack of trust, and I'd agree with you. But the lack of trust (I'll speak for myself here, now) arises from something you didn't mention -- the absence of a "culture" surrounding, defining, and governing the practice of confession. The customs and taboos on this are very, very old within catholic (note the small "c") Christianity, and the most important of these is the absoluteness of the privacy of the confessional. There are controversies that go back centuries on the ethics of a confessor who has learned in confession what would usually move him to alert the magistrate (e.g. about a likely crime). Priests and some Protestant pastors have willingly suffered rather than divulge what was passed to them in the confessional.

But, within modern evangelicalism, there is no awareness, or allegiance, to any such taboo, not with respect to church officers, and certainly not with pew-Christians. So, I am not at all surprised that the practice of confession is dead in these circles and is not apt to be revived in any circumstances. The foundations on which the practice must rest are not only absent, they cannot be rebuilt within the overall ecclesiology of modern evangelicalism.

Your distant accountability partner is a substitute, and any substitue that provides the same effects is better than no substitute!

Spook

[pointer]

Yes, Jesus and the twelve were cannibalists after all.

QED

I take it that you now realise that you have been following a preposterous lie.

[Smalcald]

Pray for the +Peace+ of Israel!

re: Left over Communion Wine/Juice - How does your church dispose of it?

I was just wondering how your churches dispose of Communion Wine that is left over?

Have you ever thought aabout this?

Snow4JC

Every catholic (note the small "c") church I've ever known (Romans, Anglicans, Orthdox, Lutherans, some high-church Presbyterians) consume all the wine that is consecrated in a Eucharist. In our parish, the priest drinks any that remains. If there were too much, he would ask the acolyte (an adult male) to consume it. Usually, there is only a couple of tablespoons of wine remaining at the end of communion.

After it is consumed, the chalice is rinsed with water twice and this also is drunk by the priest. Later, after the service, the cruet that contained the wine prior to its consecration and the chalice and paten (the gold plate on which the consecrated bread is carried) are washed in a special sink called a piscina. Its drain goes directly to the earth, not into the common sewer.

Consecrated bread is sometimes "reserved" after a service, for use in abbreviated communions for the sick in hospitals or shut-ins at home. Occasionally, this bread will be used in a Eucharist on a day when the tradition declines to perform a consecration (i.e. Good Friday).

Hi Spook what about adoration? In that case after the adoration is the consecrated elements used in communion, or are they left over?

[pointer]

Hi Spook what about adoration? In that case after the adoration is the consecrated elements used in communion, or are they left over?

If they are used in communion (so-called), one must of course thereafter worship the communicant. But that never happens, for some reason. Can anyone guess at the reason?

[Shy Christian]

Before our Lutheran pastor distributed communion, he would say, "This IS the TRUE body and TRUE blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." (emphasis was his)

The bread and wine are symbols. We're not REALLY eating and drinking Jesus himself.

[Pax]

Pray for the +Peace+ of Israel!

re: Left over Communion Wine/Juice - How does your church dispose of it?

I was just wondering how your churches dispose of Communion Wine that is left over?

Have you ever thought aabout this?

Snow4JC

Every catholic (note the small "c") church I've ever known (Romans, Anglicans, Orthdox, Lutherans, some high-church Presbyterians) consume all the wine that is consecrated in a Eucharist. In our parish, the priest drinks any that remains. If there were too much, he would ask the acolyte (an adult male) to consume it. Usually, there is only a couple of tablespoons of wine remaining at the end of communion.

After it is consumed, the chalice is rinsed with water twice and this also is drunk by the priest. Later, after the service, the cruet that contained the wine prior to its consecration and the chalice and paten (the gold plate on which the consecrated bread is carried) are washed in a special sink called a piscina. Its drain goes directly to the earth, not into the common sewer.

Consecrated bread is sometimes "reserved" after a service, for use in abbreviated communions for the sick in hospitals or shut-ins at home. Occasionally, this bread will be used in a Eucharist on a day when the tradition declines to perform a consecration (i.e. Good Friday).

Hi Spook what about adoration? In that case after the adoration is the consecrated elements used in communion, or are they left over?

If I may, I will answer this question. Adoration can be done with the Eucharist exposed in the Monstance. Monstrance is a vessel in which the consecrated host can be exposed to the faithful. Or adoration can take place in front of the tabernacle. Tabernacle is a place where the consecrated host are stored to be used later, such as during daily mass or taken to the sick in a time of need. Before I converted and became Catholic the priest told me, don't convert until you believe that Jesus Christ is truely present (Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity) in the tabernacle.

[Floatingaxe]

Seems like a lot of gobbledegook to me!

[Pax]

Before our Lutheran pastor distributed communion, he would say, "This IS the TRUE body and TRUE blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." (emphasis was his)

The bread and wine are symbols. We're not REALLY eating and drinking Jesus himself.

This is one of the differences between Luthrans and Catholics. Lutherans believe in Consubstantiation (Martin Luther taught that during communion the host becomes a combination of both bread and Jesus).

Catholics believe in Transubstantiation (This means that the bread and wine treuly become the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ under the apperances of bread and wine.)

I would first ask a Lutheran how can the host be both bread and Jesus. It has to be one or the other. Its either bread or Jesus, but it can't be both. Secondly I would ask who has the power to transform this host into both bread and Jesus. Can anyone get up there in front of a Lutheran Church and perform this miracle? Man, Women, Child, how is this done?

You would think something as special as the changing of bread into Jesus Christ one would need to has some rubrics or steps to follow. The Catholic Church has a Sacrament just for this. It is called Holy Orders or the Priesthood.

[Pax]

Seems like a lot of gobbledegook to me!

Floatingaxe,

I never did get a response from anyone about John 6. No fewer than 5 times does Jesus Christ tell the crowd to eat HIS FLESH or they will not have everlasting life? What do you think he was talking about.

Get you Bible out and Read John 6. Specifically verse 35-71. On another thread titiled "The Folley called the Mass" I wrote word for word what Jesus Christ said to the crowd. Not one of you responded to this. So I will say it again, read John 6 35-71 and tell what Jesus is talking about. Let me give you a hint, he isn't talking about cannabilism.