The Toronto Blessing, and Benny Hinn, etc

[Floatingaxe]

I remember that the names of the pastors who were there during that time are not the ones they have now! I have caught their services on TV also and they are not of that ilk.

[Gerioke]

John Wimber, I believe his name is, has been the head pastor there for many years. The last time I saw their program on vision TV, it was still John Wimber calling the shots. I used to be a member of one of their "partners in harvest" satellite churchs. John wimber would come to North Bay quite often with his family and help the pastor with these new "spiritual experiences". It started off as a vineyard church but they split when the airport thing happened. We left that church because of all the wierdness that started happening. (quack like a duck, bark like a dog, witch hunting etc.). It became a very dark church. When my son was born we took him there to have him dedicated. As soon as we tried to hand him over to the pastor, he began wailing uncontrolabley. We took him out of the church and he calmed right down. This was one sign that this church was no longer for us. Also the pastors wife seemed to be the one calling the shots, which I thought was wierd.

I could go on but I think I won't.

[Smalcald]

People are drawn to experiential things. As Christians we are not to get stoned or drunk, but hey maybe we can catch a buzz some other way. This is what some of this is about, mass hysteria is much like being high (not that I would know about either )

But of course it is all thin soil, and the true danger is for these poor souls who got caught up in that is their own journey toward Christ, how lost are they now? I feel for them because many have an honest yearning for the Lord. We see how utterly lost we can become outside of Christ, like the sheep alone against the wolves.

Also unbiblical spiritual things freak me out, as they could be literally from Satan, who will use supernatural things to mess with our heads.

[st. Worm]

I was wondering what the other users of this forum thought regarding the supposed 'toronto blessing' and also the seemingly selfish and get rich quick ministries of Benny Hinn.

To set out my own position from the outset: I am highly suspicious of the Toronto Blessing, and, maybe just a little bit less suspicious of Benny Hinn.

I try to be very cautious regarding the truth of God's Word, and how it is preached. If a 'red flag' is raised regarding the preaching of God's word, I am very reluctant to be drawn in by the 'new' way of thinking. There is not much that I hate more than the polluting of His Word.

I believe in 'spiritual blessings' in these days, but maybe some churches are going too far?

I just don't know all the answers myself. Some I know are in favour of it, some against. What is the truth?

Wow. Where to begin. You are "less suspicious of Benny Hinn"? As bad as the Toronto Blessing scam was, I am sort of dumbfounded that anyone could be less suspicious of Hinn than anyone other than the devil himself. The biggest problem with Hinn is that his entire ministry has exactly nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with greed, excess, hucksterism and bad theater. TBN is loaded with devils but Hinn must rank near the very top of the list.

sw

I guess somewhere in the Bible, God appointed you as judge and jury. I must have missed that passage. I have a close family member who was healed in a Hinn crusade. Medically documented. She was in wheel chair and could not walk. Could not straighten up because of degenerative bone condition. She was healed in one of Hinn's Atlanta Crusades. She got out of the wheel chair and was instantly healed. She is walking, and has no signs of the disease. Someone must have forgotten to tell God that He can not work through Benny Hinn because you do not approve of Hinn.

Meet me on PM because I would like to investigate this claim including the medical documentation. I stand by the statement that Benny Hinn is a money grubbing fraud and you can get more healing from an Indian medicine man.

sw

[st. Worm]

I was wondering what the other users of this forum thought regarding the supposed 'toronto blessing' and also the seemingly selfish and get rich quick ministries of Benny Hinn.

To set out my own position from the outset: I am highly suspicious of the Toronto Blessing, and, maybe just a little bit less suspicious of Benny Hinn.

I try to be very cautious regarding the truth of God's Word, and how it is preached. If a 'red flag' is raised regarding the preaching of God's word, I am very reluctant to be drawn in by the 'new' way of thinking. There is not much that I hate more than the polluting of His Word.

I believe in 'spiritual blessings' in these days, but maybe some churches are going too far?

I just don't know all the answers myself. Some I know are in favour of it, some against. What is the truth?

Wow. Where to begin. You are "less suspicious of Benny Hinn"? As bad as the Toronto Blessing scam was, I am sort of dumbfounded that anyone could be less suspicious of Hinn than anyone other than the devil himself. The biggest problem with Hinn is that his entire ministry has exactly nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with greed, excess, hucksterism and bad theater. TBN is loaded with devils but Hinn must rank near the very top of the list.

sw

I guess somewhere in the Bible, God appointed you as judge and jury. I must have missed that passage. I have a close family member who was healed in a Hinn crusade. Medically documented. She was in wheel chair and could not walk. Could not straighten up because of degenerative bone condition. She was healed in one of Hinn's Atlanta Crusades. She got out of the wheel chair and was instantly healed. She is walking, and has no signs of the disease. Someone must have forgotten to tell God that He can not work through Benny Hinn because you do not approve of Hinn.

Meet me on PM because I would like to investigate this claim including the medical documentation. I stand by the statement that Benny Hinn is a money grubbing fraud and you can get more healing from an Indian medicine man.

sw

What do you want to know?

Her name, address and phone number. Her doctor's name, address and phone number. Physician information showing what condition she suffered from. Subsequent medical information showing as of what date she no longer suffers from it. The doctor's statement explaining the reason why the condition no longer exists. Her former employer and current employer. The date of the Hinn show where the healing occurred. Any news articles regarding the situation. I assume such a healing would be big news in the local paper. I vow to keep all personal information confidential although I assume that if such a healing occurred all parties would be glad to share it publicly on this forum.

Thanks.

sw

[Floatingaxe]

Wow! Gonna launch a crusade of your own?

[st. Worm]

Wow! Gonna launch a crusade of your own?

I could use a new Rolls Royce and a 12 million dollar house on the beach like Benny's!

[billie]

Wow! Gonna launch a crusade of your own?

I could use a new Rolls Royce and a 12 million dollar house on the beach like Benny's!

Couldn't we all?

[nebula]

I have a question I wouldlike for you all to truly think about.

Why did the people in Jerusalem believe the disciples were drunk?

I mean, would merely speaking another language make one believe you were drunk?

[Leonard]

John Wimber, I believe his name is, has been the head pastor there for many years. The last time I saw their program on vision TV, it was still John Wimber calling the shots. I used to be a member of one of their "partners in harvest" satellite churchs. John wimber would come to North Bay quite often with his family and help the pastor with these new "spiritual experiences". It started off as a vineyard church but they split when the airport thing happened. We left that church because of all the wierdness that started happening. (quack like a duck, bark like a dog, witch hunting etc.). It became a very dark church. When my son was born we took him there to have him dedicated. As soon as we tried to hand him over to the pastor, he began wailing uncontrolabley. We took him out of the church and he calmed right down. This was one sign that this church was no longer for us. Also the pastors wife seemed to be the one calling the shots, which I thought was wierd.

I could go on but I think I won't.

Well, whatever your opinion of Wimber, he's been dead for years! Died quite young......