The Toronto Blessing, and Benny Hinn, etc

[Floatingaxe]

Ok, if it was John Arnott, then he is still there, but I do recollect that there was a Vineyard man (Wimber maybe) who was with him in this thing years ago, but left that work.

It has since recovered and is doing quite well, as far as I can see.

[redeemed098]

I must take the stand as David did on this one...

I'm not terribly sure what to make of many ministries but, "who am I to speak against the Lords annointed."

We already KNOW that there are tares amongst the wheat. We also know that we are not to try to weed them out as some of the wheat might be pulled with them.

I also stand with Paul when he speaks of having a clean conscience as far as HE knows, yet admits that his own conscience doesnt acquit him due to the finality of the Lord being his TRUE examiner. He goes on to stress that we are "to judge nothing until the APPOINTED time; WAIT till the Lord comes. HE will bring to Light what is hidden in the darkness and will expose the motives of mens hearts. At that time, each will receive his praise from God. (1 Corinthians 4: 2-5)

"The Lord knows those who are His."

I will let the Lord be the final examiner too.."Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrel; and the Lords servant must NOT quarrel, instead he must be kind to everyone, able to teach and NOT resentful."

I feel at this point I must apologise and ask for forgiveness from any person on these forums I may have quarreled with. I'm sorry..! Please forgive me if I have behaved in a way that is contrary to the truth of scripture of speaking the truth in love and with grace.

Regards,

Ben.

[RGR]

Ben,

We are instructed by the Lord himself to have nothing to do with the works of darkness; nowhere does the Bible say to run around in fear of speaking against His anointed. As a matter of fact, that Scripture doesn't even apply to this type of situation. If we are to run around in fear of speaking against someone, no matter how wrong they may be, we should also not speak against the Jehovah's Witness or the Mormons either. There is nothing wrong with calling something for what it is.

[redeemed098]

Ben,

We are instructed by the Lord himself to have nothing to do with the works of darkness; nowhere does the Bible say to run around in fear of speaking against His anointed. As a matter of fact, that Scripture doesn't even apply to this type of situation. If we are to run around in fear of speaking against someone, no matter how wrong they may be, we should also not speak against the Jehovah's Witness or the Mormons either. There is nothing wrong with calling something for what it is.

Ronald, I understand that and I'm not in any way condoning heresy. The word is clear to "hate even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh." (Jude)

I recognise the heresy in the Jehovahs Witness and also the Mormons, ( I was raised a mormon..) Im simply sharing with you that when it comes to Benny Hinn and Billy Graham and the like, I am not so sure that they are NOT Gods annointed. If I am NOT certain, then I cannot take a stand. We might well find that they ARE being used of God. Noone has got it ALL right Ronald...There are false doctrines everywhere. We have been clearly instructed by the Lord NOT to try to pull the tares out. We are to wait for the time appointed when HE will come and seperate the sheep from the goats.

Im sorry if that seems UNscriptural, but to me it appears completely scriptural. Please correct me if I am wrong...I AM teachable...!

Regards,

Ben.

[RGR]

Ben,

Paul had no problem with pointing out the errors of false teachers. I am not saying that we should attack Hinn personally nor am I saying we should attempt to "uproot" him. When one sees error, it is our job as a Christian to point out that error. If we do not attempt to point out Hinn's errors, it looks as though we're giving credence thereto.

[nebula]

Jehoshaphat and Hezekiah were both godly kings - but both screwed up royally and were duly rebuked by the Lord for their foolishness. Yet the Lord still used them for as long as they reigned.

Things have been done, and still are (come on Hinn - do you really need the mansion and that many fancy vehicles? ) that should not have happened. And I am sure they will have to answer to God for such. But I do believe there truly is a baby amidst all this bathwater.

If you can't abide the bathwater, that's fine. Name me one ministry or denomination or church that doesn't have its bathwater!

But I am hesitant to rebuke the baby. You may have a genuine reason for not believing it is there. But having heard inside reports, I am not too sure there is no baby.

I am sure most of you disagree with me, and that's fine. I'm not here to be their defender. But I just needed to express this.

Please be proof positive there is no baby in the middle of the bathwater before you throw it all out.

Like with Jehoshaphat and Hezekiah.

[carrielles]

Oh! Now I know what you're talking about! I've heard of that! My pastor says that's not of God. There's nothing scriptural about rolling around or barking, and if memory serves me correctly, the laughing occurs during the sermon sometimes, which is definetely unbiblical.

Um a few years ago i told a very religious friend that i saw someone on TV throwing around the word of God and made me uncomfortable. I went on about what they had said and my friend agreeed that it was bad what they were doing. Then they asked if i could remmeber who it was, when I said benny hinn (bible search ben hin = bad place) they were very different and accusatory to me saying I didnt hear the whole thing or I had twisted the words. people are very attached to that ministry even if it is unscriptural. Scarry to me.

[sweetycakes]

Jehoshaphat and Hezekiah were both godly kings - but both screwed up royally and were duly rebuked by the Lord for their foolishness. Yet the Lord still used them for as long as they reigned.

Things have been done, and still are (come on Hinn - do you really need the mansion and that many fancy vehicles? ) that should not have happened. And I am sure they will have to answer to God for such. But I do believe there truly is a baby amidst all this bathwater.

If you can't abide the bathwater, that's fine. Name me one ministry or denomination or church that doesn't have its bathwater!

But I am hesitant to rebuke the baby. You may have a genuine reason for not believing it is there. But having heard inside reports, I am not too sure there is no baby.

I am sure most of you disagree with me, and that's fine. I'm not here to be their defender. But I just needed to express this.

Please be proof positive there is no baby in the middle of the bathwater before you throw it all out.

Like with Jehoshaphat and Hezekiah.

You bring up a very good point, nebula. Maybe there IS a baby in there somewhere. If only for the countless ordinary people who'se faith has been strengthened by this ministry. (I say that with an air of caution, though, just in case)

But, yes, as you say, maybe we are being too judgemental of Hinn. I DO think he has gone somewhat off track, though, regarding his mansion and fancy cars. He even has his own private jet, doesn't he? I also heard that in his mansion, the hallway is gold-paved. Don't know if that report is correct or not.

All I know is it's sometimes hard these days knowing who to believe. And scary.

[nebula]

Don't worry - I agree the accumulation of wealth Hinn has done is not godly. I suspect, though, if Hinn was all bad that the Lord would have taken him down by now. It may be that there was a job the Lord has for Hinn, and that maybe Hinn is being faithful in thhat job - even if other areas of his life are not.

But I agree that it is hard to know who to beleive.

What I have learned is that we should judge fruit, not the people. We all make mistakes.

Instead of focusing on "who" to believe, perhaps we need to focus on "what" to believe. Because anyone can give a teaching that is spot on perfect, and then give a teaching that is way off course.

See?

[treasured]

WOW!!!

I thought I had found a wonderful websight of Christians of all faiths accepting others of different denominations and united on the lifting up the LORD as well as one another, but after reading these posts I am begining to wonder.

Nebula, Bless You !!! You aren't TEARING DOWN!!!

You know if one won't believe how can they receive??? .......That isn't only for salvation ....but also healings and other blessings that the Lord is willing to pour out.

I posted my testimony on my healing of my body. I have medical documentation as well. I have a changed heart....sorry no documentation!

I was: raised Catholic, then was Jehovah's Witness for 13 years, saved in a Baptist church and attended for 7 years, was filled with the Holy Spirit at home (and alone)... so no longer accepted at that church, and now attend a all-denominational church. But to sum it up "I am trying to be a Christian (Christ-like....don't think ANY of us have achieved that yet)" and I BELONG to CHRIST not some denomination, and after 13 years of allowing others to control my thinking on my spiritual life I will not allow that to happen again. Nor will I tear down when I can build up..('any stumble one of these it be better to have a millstone tied around his neck and thrown into the sea).

What I know: The God of the Bible, the God I prayed to when I asked Jesus into my heart, is the SAME God that I have continued to pray to since that time. So when I asked Him for His Holy Spirit to fill me, It wasn't the devil...You see 'What father, when his child asks for a fish will give him a snake or for bread give him a rock'..."How much more will your Father in heaven give His children".