Is faith enough to save us from Hell?

[Guest loveroftruth]

Are you saying that believing in Jesus is enough for salvation?

In addition to what Ayin Jade wrote -

John 3

3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

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14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,

15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

Jesus Himself said salvation comes from believing in Him.

Works are not required for salvation.

Also here (vs 21) Jesus shows that works are evidence of what is in the heart.

Nebula, How about faith without works? Are you saying that believing without practicing what you believing is enough? In James chapter 2

Jam 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Jam 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Is it true that not all who has faith to Jesus Christ will be saved? like demons...

Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

[ayin jade]

Ephesians 2:8 clearly states we are saved by faith alone. Not works. Works come as a result of our faith. A result of the changed heart within us. We are created to do works, as a result of our faith. Works do not cause our salvation.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

[nebula]

James is saying that your deeds are evidence that faith exists.

This is why the Bible compares works to fruit - fruit is the evidence of the life of the tree.

Apple trees bear apples; apples do not conform the tree.

An apple tree bearing apples are evidence that the tree is an apple tree and that it is healthy and vibrant.

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As for Jam 2:19 - Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

It says the devils believe "there is a God." This is very different from "believing in Jesus."

I have a friend who is Buddhist who "believes in God," but she does not believe in Jesus, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, Savior and Lord.

This is a significant difference.

[Guest loveroftruth]

Ephesians 2:8 clearly states we are saved by faith alone. Not works. Works come as a result of our faith. A result of the changed heart within us. We are created to do works, as a result of our faith. Works do not cause our salvation.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

In Ephesians 2:8, there's no FAITH ALONE mentioned. We need to follow His commandments! To follow His commandments is to work right? And one of His commandments is this...

Phi 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

It is clearly mentioned that we must NOT ONLY TO BELIEVE IN HIM BUT ALSO TO SUFFER FOR HIS SAKE! Agree????

[nebula]

So, what - if you are not being persecuted by the world for your faith you are not saved?

Come on!

[Guest loveroftruth]

James is saying that your deeds are evidence that faith exists.

This is why the Bible compares works to fruit - fruit is the evidence of the life of the tree.

Apple trees bear apples; apples do not conform the tree.

An apple tree bearing apples are evidence that the tree is an apple tree and that it is healthy and vibrant.

**

As for Jam 2:19 - Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

It says the devils believe "there is a God." This is very different from "believing in Jesus."

I have a friend who is Buddhist who "believes in God," but she does not believe in Jesus, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, Savior and Lord.

This is a significant difference.

Ohhhhh nebula! The God mentioned by St James in 2:19 pertaining to Our Lord Jesus Christ and NOT to other "gods". Are you saying that devils do believes to Buddha? NO of course, devils do believe to true God like what happened to Jesus before

Mat 8:28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

Mat 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

I hope you understood this...

[nebula]

James is saying that your deeds are evidence that faith exists.

This is why the Bible compares works to fruit - fruit is the evidence of the life of the tree.

Apple trees bear apples; apples do not conform the tree.

An apple tree bearing apples are evidence that the tree is an apple tree and that it is healthy and vibrant.

**

As for Jam 2:19 - Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

It says the devils believe "there is a God." This is very different from "believing in Jesus."

I have a friend who is Buddhist who "believes in God," but she does not believe in Jesus, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, Savior and Lord.

This is a significant difference.

Ohhhhh nebula! The God mentioned by St James in 2:19 pertaining to Our Lord Jesus Christ and NOT to other "gods". Are you saying that devils do believes to Buddha? NO of course, devils do believe to true God like what happened to Jesus before

You completely misinterpreted what I said.

I was making a comparison.

James mentions "demons believe there is a God." My point was that belief in Jesus and belief that there is a God are two entirely different things.

I brought up my friend as a comparison.

Please go back and re-read what I said.

[ayin jade]

Jesus said we would suffer for our faith. He never said that only through suffering would we be saved. Nowhere in the bible does it ever say we are saved through suffering. You are misinterpreting scripture again.

Titus 3:10

[Guest loveroftruth]

Jesus said we would suffer for our faith. He never said that only through suffering would we be saved. Nowhere in the bible does it ever say we are saved through suffering. You are misinterpreting scripture again.

Titus 3:10

AJ, you were the one who mis interpreting the scriptures! I never said that ONLY THROUGH SUFFERING would we saved! My point is just to show you that NOT BY FAITH ALONE! We should do these verses in order to be saved...

Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

and this...

Phi 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

It doesnt mention by Paul also that ONLY TO SUFFER TO BE SAVED! I never quoted that....

[nebula]

Phi 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Read the verse in context.

This is not a command.

What kind of burden is your church putting on you?

"Pastor, how do I get saved?"

Answer: "Believe in Jesus, do good deeds, and suffer persecution. Fail on any of the two last points and beleiving in Jesus means nothing. You go to Hell anyway."

Is this what you are saying?