Is faith enough to save us from Hell?

[Kabowd]

I'm so glad I didn't stay up for this

[RGR]

If works are needed in order for us to be saved, then Christianity is no different then any other religion.

When we interject works into salvation, it places the emphasis upon what WE can do. The point of salvation is to give God the glory...you can't do that if you're a part of obtaining it.

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I'm so glad I didn't stay up for this

[nebula]

When we interject works into salvation, it places the emphasis upon what WE can do. The point of salvation is to give God the glory...you can't do that if you're a part of obtaining it.

Good point!

[Ovedya]

How odd, loveroftruth, that you're a newbie and you're here to defend antz! Even more odd is the fact that your grammatical style is the same as antz! You both love to punctuate multiple times and you both have the same problem of not always capitalizing the first letter of the first word of a sentence. So, in other words, you're not playing anyone for a fool, antz.

antz=loveroftruth=antz=loveroftruth

Loveroftruth was actually "truthcaster".....AGAIN. No biggie. Everytime he comes back under another name, I'll just ban him. He's worn out his welcome.

[nebula]

Oh well, Ron - you were close.

[Ovedya]

Antz,

A few comments about your last response to me:

you see... that is what i am trying to say... there is ANOTHER HOPE... after the salvation from sins which is assured through the death of Christ. AMEN!

we are hoping that we will be saved from the wrath... while in Eph 2:8 it is not a hope... it has passed... we are saved through faith. THAT IS ANOTHER HOPE... difeferent from the salvation that had been received...

No. You are entirely twisting the verse to say what it does not. Romans 5:9 points to the assurance of our salvation, which is the hope of glory (v. 2). Nowhere did Paul write that we hope to escape the wrath of God. On the contrary, he wrote that we will escape the wrath because of Christ!

this is now what i mean by saying THE WHOLE BIBLE. from the WHOLE BIBLE's point of view, did Paul put contingency regarding salvation on the wrath or not??? he did... like what i already posted it says in Phil 2:12 that a born again has to WORK OUT for his own salvation.

No. To "work out your own salvation" does not state or imply that works are necessary for salvation. You see, this is reading into the Scriptures at best, and completely misinterpretaing them at worse. To "work out your own salvation" states clearly that salvation is a personal matter that must be worked on by the individual. Those that use Phil 2:12 as evidence that works are necessary for salvation hardly ever, if at all, cite the whole verse which says, "So then, my beloved, even as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only but now much rather in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;" Paul's encouragement to the Philippians was that they continue in the faith, to work out their own salvation. To "work out" salvation means to bring salvation to its full conclusion through the operation of faith. It has little, if at all, to do with good works. Good works are the result of faith. They do not produce or sustain salvation.

there is difference on that... just try to look deeper... the salvation from sin can be lost... look...

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

you see... IF YOU SIN WILLFULLY... your hope to be saved from the WRATH will be gone...

then the other salvation is eternal... it can't be lost anymore... that is the salvation from the WRATH...

Here you are twisting salvation into something that it is not. Salvation is once and for all time. It cannot be lost. Nor can a certain aspect of salvation be lost. Either you are saved or you are not. If you are saved from the wrath, then you are saved from the wrath. Paul wrote that we are saved from the wrath. He never argued otherwise, and he never placed contingiencies upon that salvation. With regard to Hebrews 10:26, I refer you to another thread in which I explained the verse in context with the others around it. Please read it, as I don't have the time or energy to repeat that exposition here: http://www.worthyboards.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=573689 Also: http://www.worthyboards.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=573737 and, http://www.worthyboards.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=574385

[Candi770]

If you read Phillippians 12-13 NLT

You will read

Dearest friends, you were always so careful to follow my instructions when I was with you. And now that I am away you must be even more careful to put into action God's saving work in your lives, obeying God with deep reverence and fear. For God is working in you, giving you the desire to obey him and the power to do what pleases him.

In verses 14-16

In everything you do, stay away from complaining and arguing, so that no one can speak a word of blame against you. You are to live clean, innocent lives as children of God in a dark world full of crooked and perverse people. Let your lives shine brightly before them. Hold tightly to the word of life, so that when Christ returns, I will be proud that I did not lose the race and that my work was not useless.

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To me it seems that Paul has been mentoring these people-sometimes people drawl on the mentorer more than needed-some need to be reminded that to keep their eyes on Jesus (God), everyone must stand on their own. It is God who is working in us at all times!! We must be dependent on God not self in this life!!

blessings

candi

[apothanein kerdos]

If you lose your salvation, then look under the couch cusion...that's where i usually find lost change, so it makes sense my salvation would be there as well.

[cjrose]

When we interject works into salvation, it places the emphasis upon what WE can do. The point of salvation is to give God the glory...you can't do that if you're a part of obtaining it.

Good point!

Hi sister, I am so concerned with my in laws especially my mother in law because she is so Catholic. I know she belives in God but she is so adamant about the fact that it is our works that get us in to Heaven and over the years I have tried talking to her about our salvation and how it is a gift and promise when we have a personal relation ship with Jesus. She prays every morning the rosary (special beads with significant prayer to go along with each on, just in caseyou didn't know but I am worried because she is such a wonderful moral lovely woman who is so generous with tithing and support and I can't get through to her that works does not give us salvation. I pray for her but it's frustrating not being able to pierce her heart into becoming a true believer.

[nebula]

Sometimes, all you can do is pray.

I know what it's like to be locked in a false belief - it's not easy to break.

Pray for their eyes to be open and the bonds broken.