Creation Account

[nebula]

Did Adam die on the day he ate of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?

Think about it"

What is meant by "day"?

What is meant by "die"?

[MrsSealedEternal]

Did Adam die on the day he ate of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?

Think about it"

What is meant by "day"?

What is meant by "die"?

Hmmm...Well he began to die right away and his body died within a thousand years. In dying you will die...or something to that effect.

[nebula]

But it didn't say, "You will start dying." It says, "You will die."

[larryt]

Did Adam die on the day he ate of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?

Think about it"

What is meant by "day"?

What is meant by "die"?

Yes he did, both spiritually and physically.

First of all death is a separation. Spiritually Adam died by sin in that he was separated from God.

Physically, Adam died in the day that he ate the fruit, for one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day. Adam lived less than 1000 years. 930 years to be exact.

Ge 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

It is also interesting to note that no one else has lived more than a thousand years.

Think about it.

LT

[nebula]

But he did not physically die that literal day.

[larryt]

As to your aserting that animals could not die before man sinned, What scripture do you base that on? That argument is the last ditch defense of a "young earth" creationist. It gets ripped to shreds every time it is used. Most good "young earth" creationists have shelved that argument.

Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Ro 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Here we see that death entered with the occurrence of sin. In the second passage the creature is waiting for the deliverance from the bondage of corruption due to sin. That will happen when sin is completely done away with at the end.

I don't walk by sight but by faith. If what my eyes see contradicts the Word of God that which I see is WRONG!

LT

The passage you just used does not prove that point. I knew it probably would be quoted. You hold "he" was Adam. I hold "he" was Satan. In verse 19, the creature is awaiting the advent or arrival of man. The creature was already subject to corrutpion. The creature will be free from the bondage of corruption when Satan is bound in Hell. As to REV. 20:14 . It further proves what I just said. Death and Hades will be thrown into the lake of Fire. When Satan is cast to the lake of fire, death is removed from the Earth.

Just what "he" are you referring to? In Romans 5:12 it refers to a "man" that let sin enter. 1Cor. 15 contrasts the difference between the first man, and the last Adam. Satan is not a man. He is a serpent, the Devil

Adams sin brought death to human beings, death was already in operation in the animal and plant kingdom.

How do you know? The bible says differently.

LT

You are conveniently mixing terminology. The Bible does not say death was "not" in the animal kingdom before Adam sinned. It simply does not say that. Romans 5:12 is referring sin entering into the world and affecting the human race.

I believe it is you that is conveniently mixing terminology.

In Rom. 5:12 the word "WORLD" is the greek kosmos. It's first and primary meaning is:

1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government

God had created an apt and harmonious arrangement/order and sin entered it and death(separation from God and all that is holy) by sin. This verse says that sin destroyed the order/arrangement that God created.

That is why in Rom. 8 we are told that the whole creation is waiting for the redemption/restoration of the pre-fall order.

LT

Pre-fall order. The order prior to Satan falling from Heaven. Satan's fall affected the "kosmos." The book of Daniel makes it quite clear that demonic spirits operate in places other than planet earth.

Where are you getting this from? Where in Daniel are you referring? Romans says that man's sin affected the kosmos not Satan. If you are right theologically then explain the scriptures you find this in. If you are confident in the truth you don't have to beat around the bush and be elusive.

LT

[larryt]

But he did not physically die that literal day.

Hi nebula.

Think about it.

2Pe 3:8

[LadyGunivere]

okie dokie......Adam died later yes....spiritually though he fell from Heaven and out of God's protection and into Satan's world....I know this seems like random babbling espeically at 5:12 am but that's just my view......

[nebula]

But he did not physically die that literal day.

Hi nebula.

Think about it.

2Pe 3:8

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