Is all disobedience an act of will?

[ayin jade]

You see, that is the danger of your theology. You make excuses for sins. We dont. We recognize even the most "trivial" sin as serious sin. We accept that we are sinners and need to keep our focus on the Lord. You dont.

Jesus address this very issue.

Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Take heed antz. You are in grave danger.

[antz]

didn't you read my post??? i was dragged because somebody puke at my post.

Doesnt matter, you still sinned willfully. You cannot blame it on someone else. Even when someone does something we don't like, and it offends us, we still have to take responsibility for it. No one else is accountable for our sins.

You sinned willfully, and you better get resaved, or you are going to hell according to your twisted "theology."

I am taking responsibility on it that, that is why I admit it...

You remember Peter... he cut a guards ear, denied Jesus for 3 times... yet it is not considered willful act because he was dragged by the circumstances to do it... it was a sin... but it was forgiven...

How about posting it as another topic so not to dragged this thread out of topic...

the topic here is...

Is all disobedience an act of will?

Edited August 20, 2006 by antz

[nebula]

You remember Peter... he cut a guards ear, denied Jesus for 3 times... yet it is not considered willful act because he was dragged by the circumstances to do it... it was a sin... but it was forgiven...

Antz -

David was forgiven for his sin against Uriah, despite having to still pay suffer consequences (discipline). He deserved death, but was spared.

Please don't try to say that wasn't a willful act!

As for Peter, he wasn't forced to do anything. He chose to attack; he chose to say what he did.

I really do not know what your bottom line point to this whole debate is. But what you are claiming here is quite bizarre.

[Guest shiloh357]

didn't you read my post??? i was dragged because somebody puke at my post.

Doesnt matter, you still sinned willfully. You cannot blame it on someone else. Even when someone does something we don't like, and it offends us, we still have to take responsibility for it. No one else is accountable for our sins.

You sinned willfully, and you better get resaved, or you are going to hell according to your twisted "theology."

I am taking responsibility on it that, that is why I admit it...

You remember Peter... he cut a guards ear, denied Jesus for 3 times... yet it is not considered willful act because he was dragged by the circumstances to do it... it was a sin... but it was forgiven...

How about posting it as another topic so not to dragged this thread out of topic...

the topic here is...

Is all disobedience an act of will?

Yes, Peter's sin was willful. Sins are an act of rebellion against the revealed Will of God. Sinning is choice. No one "falls into sin" any more than they "fall into Holiness." Any time I sin, it is willful.

Blaming someone else is not taking responsibility for it. Sorry, try again.

Your question about disobedience is a pointless baiting tactic, and you are willfully sinning again by trying to use the Bible dodge responsibility for your sin. Just more and more hypocrisy.

[Floatingaxe]

That is precisely the sin John was speaking of--the unforgivable sin.

Axe,

Are you trying to say that if a teenager commits blasphemy but later on in life repents and ask God for forgiveness, he will not forgive that person. If that's the case many people are going to hell. God is a merciful God and no sin is to big for him to forgive. There is a way to come back into the grace of God after committing a deadly sin, there has to be or else 99.9 percent of the world would be going straight to hell. God knew this . This is why the Christ established the Sacrament of Reconciliation to deal will deadly sin and bring us back into communion with Christ.

No--the unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit--One who is so depraved, he will never come around. A total reprobate. Sold out to the devil! This is the person John refers to.

[Floatingaxe]

That is precisely the sin John was speaking of--the unforgivable sin.

so now you agree that not all disobedience is an act of will???

Nope!

[antz]

You remember Peter... he cut a guards ear, denied Jesus for 3 times... yet it is not considered willful act because he was dragged by the circumstances to do it... it was a sin... but it was forgiven...

Antz -

David was forgiven for his sin against Uriah, despite having to still pay suffer consequences (discipline). He deserved death, but was spared.

Please don't try to say that wasn't a willful act!

It was... But due to God's justice saying...

Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

Did you ever find David commiting the same sin after God's dicipline??? NO!!

As for Peter, he wasn't forced to do anything. He chose to attack; he chose to say what he did.

That is not his choice!!! How dare you speak to Peter like that... given the choice, Peter will never choose to do that... look at what Peter chose to do...

Luk 22:33 And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death. 34 And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.

You see that... that is what Peter have chosen in his heart... to be with Jesus till death... but out of circumstances he was forced to deny Jesus...

HOW DARE YOU ACUSED PETER OF WILLINGLY DENYING JESUS!!! and now you call me heretic... look in the mirror...

I really do not know what your bottom line point to this whole debate is.

Look at the Topic... if you will believe that all disobedience is an act of will knowing that willfully committing sin is deadly, that would mean all sins are deadly. this would be out of the Biblical principle because John clearly stated that there are deadly and non deadly sins.

But what you are claiming here is quite bizarre.

It is bizarre to those who are inclined in believing INTERPRETATIONS rather than beleiving IN WHAT IS WRITTEN. and besides, I know that we (real Christians) are bizarre... because for some we are peculiar people

[Floatingaxe]

It is bizarre to those who are inclined in believing INTERPRETATIONS rather than beleiving IN WHAT IS WRITTEN.

antz---

Now really, what we are dealing with is your agenda to divide according to your poorly interpreted pontifications on the subject at hand.

[antz]

That is precisely the sin John was speaking of--the unforgivable sin.

so now you agree that not all disobedience is an act of will???

Nope!

But you agree that willful sins are deadly after we received the knowledge of the truth as what the Bible say???

Hebrews 10:26For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

[billie]

It is bizarre to those who are inclined in believing INTERPRETATIONS rather than beleiving IN WHAT IS WRITTEN.

antz---

Now really, what we are dealing with is your agenda to divide according to your poorly interpreted pontifications on the subject at hand.

Yes! I'm so glad someone else knows this! I thought I was alone!