the "indigo child"...

[speckles]

LadyR, I agree that the daughter is looking for something, but the whole indigo child thing I saw was linked up with ESP and channeling spirits, seeing ghost, all of the stuff I connect with New Age.

Be very careful and don't let your daughter get so drawn into this she looses sight of the fact that she is "Gods" child!

Well, it seems she's already lost sight of this.

I thought this was just another personality test, but apparently it's not. It isn't necessarily something that we should validate to those who practice the occult. If we are led to, we can talk about it hypothetically if we find it useful as long as we come back to the truth. But in general I wouldn't give it any validity to the person who wants to put this forth as truth. Of course if I were wittnessing to someone involved in it, I'd ask them why only one colour? What happened to the rest of them?

I went back and looked at the ten characteristics, and myself and both of my children all fit these, and we are three completely different personality types...if you could see us you would be able to tell that right off...which means it's most likely one of those tricks used by newspaper astrologers...say somethng general enough that people fit it almost all the time.

I've been reading here and I have to comment...I also read the old thread...

LR, that girl is not any more unsaved because she's into wicca and such, so discussing the topic (from the right POV of course) is not pushing her any closer to the flame, she's already there, spiritually. She's no worse off than an unsaved child sitting in the pew next to her parents everyday just like she has for 19 years or so...

Anyone with a sin nature is an indigo child, some just show it more than others.

The daughter appears to have issues and I'm not sure anyone outside of God can fix them she seems to need validation for everything, but only if it suits her, she can't take criticism.

Synestheisa is a real condition and should have no connection to this at all, logically.

This is new age junk and it's also another system to which we decide that we have no right to control our kids, or if we are adults, have no obligation to behave ourselves in polite society. If yo don't like lines, fine, but you will have to learn to stand in them or you don't get the pizza when yo go to cici's.

[speckles]

kittyjo, overindulgence was the word i was looking for when i first posted this topic! i totally agree.

ladyR, LOL i hope someday my daughter will be able to assess her drama queen antics with as much humour as you do! at this point i'm not sure she'll ever recognize it at all... i keep praying! one thing i can say though, i've committed her to prayer... and my fervant prayer goes something like this: God, no matter what happens to her, no matter what you have to allow in her life, SPARE her life until she knows you". i have been given a... oh i don't know what to call it... it wasn't actually a vision, it wasn't a dream (i was wide awake and sitting in church), it wasn't an audible word from God, it was more like a little revelation out of the blue that my mother calls a quickening of the Holy Spirit, that one day my daughter will not only know God, but will serve Him in the ministry with praise and worship... so i have no doubt that God hears my prayers.

drama queens like attention, so once she comes to God, she will be able to do things like lead worship songs and the like because she won't mind the attention (all the congregation looking at her). me, I don't like it. Therefore I'm the one folding bullitens and sweeping up after sunday school.

[MrsSealedEternal]

"Oh, this mortal coil cannot contain the anguish caused by the lack of understanding you have for my moody flamboyant and otherwise mysterious and quirky nature. Therefore I must upset the general environment of our home by flouncing around, huffing and sighing at regularly timed intervals...punctuated by the frequent slamming of doors and crying at the top of my lungs so that you can at least grasp the depth of my pain and wallow in eternal guilt"

memories...like the corners of my mind...

[LadyRaven]

kittyjo, overindulgence was the word i was looking for when i first posted this topic! i totally agree.

ladyR, LOL i hope someday my daughter will be able to assess her drama queen antics with as much humour as you do! at this point i'm not sure she'll ever recognize it at all... i keep praying! one thing i can say though, i've committed her to prayer... and my fervant prayer goes something like this: God, no matter what happens to her, no matter what you have to allow in her life, SPARE her life until she knows you". i have been given a... oh i don't know what to call it... it wasn't actually a vision, it wasn't a dream (i was wide awake and sitting in church), it wasn't an audible word from God, it was more like a little revelation out of the blue that my mother calls a quickening of the Holy Spirit, that one day my daughter will not only know God, but will serve Him in the ministry with praise and worship... so i have no doubt that God hears my prayers.

I am still a drama queen/tortured artist. So, I can laugh at myself cause I get it. I know it's not normative and few people really understand. Top this off with a twist of melancholic temperaemtn and introversion (yeah, I wax long on keyboard, and I'll talk your ear off once a month, but then I'll go away and you'll have to dig me out of my house a week later if you want to see me, cause I prolly don't wanna see ANYONE) and I KNOW people won't understand. But I learned that it was ok to have this exist. I have my own gifts (and weaknesses) to manage and other people have their own. I need to concentrate on what God gave ME as opposed to what God gave EVERYONE ELSE....

When people think the world revolves around them instead of God, then they expect others to "get it" but...they don't have to. We have to learn to agree to disagree sometimes, and when you don't understand someone else, that's the same thing to an extent.

One day, something will break her heart, and it will be because others don't understand her. And she will realise that it doesn't matter if they don't. When that happens she will grow up alot because in order to understand that, she has to understand that her POV is not the center of the universe. It's just one out of many. (I'm talking about feelings, not ultimate truth, so nobody flame me)

I pray for your nerves sake that this is sooner rather than later.

[LadyRaven]

kittyjo, overindulgence was the word i was looking for when i first posted this topic! i totally agree.

ladyR, LOL i hope someday my daughter will be able to assess her drama queen antics with as much humour as you do! at this point i'm not sure she'll ever recognize it at all... i keep praying! one thing i can say though, i've committed her to prayer... and my fervant prayer goes something like this: God, no matter what happens to her, no matter what you have to allow in her life, SPARE her life until she knows you". i have been given a... oh i don't know what to call it... it wasn't actually a vision, it wasn't a dream (i was wide awake and sitting in church), it wasn't an audible word from God, it was more like a little revelation out of the blue that my mother calls a quickening of the Holy Spirit, that one day my daughter will not only know God, but will serve Him in the ministry with praise and worship... so i have no doubt that God hears my prayers.

drama queens like attention, so once she comes to God, she will be able to do things like lead worship songs and the like because she won't mind the attention (all the congregation looking at her). me, I don't like it. Therefore I'm the one folding bullitens and sweeping up after sunday school.

I'm a drama queen and I don't like attention. at least not direct attention like you're discussing. I like to be fussed over, but not out in the limelight.

[LadyRaven]

I had honestly never heard the term indigo child until your post. I had to follow the link to see what you are talking about.

Most of the traits don't sound bad to me but a couple do. The ones I see benefit in are:

* Self-worth is not a big issue. They often tell the parents "who they are."

Since they are telling their parents "who they are" they are also not open to "constructive criticism" (trust me on this) or the possibility that someone else does not see them (or does not have to see them) the same way they themselves do.

* They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).

* They get frustrated with systems that are ritually oriented and don't require creative thought.

I believe all authority should be questioned (at least at a theoretical level) at least once to see if it is legit, however this can be taken too far too.

And honestly, when I'm at my pt job doing repetitive tasks it is highly boring and frustrating, but without these things I can't do the creative work I signed up to do. Everyone needs to learn to do those things if the situation calls for it, and it often does.

* They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like "system busters" (nonconforming to any system).

And unless they learn to respectfully put forth their nonconformity as a new creative innovation rather than an ultimate slap on the face of those who have gone before they will never have the opportunity to use this

* They are not shy in letting you know what they need.

and since they think they are royalty, I'm sure it's done in a royal manner and probably rude.

The traits that do sound like they could end up being bad to me are:

* They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it)

If taught to manage themselves properly they learn to be the soveriegn of their own intellectual kingdom and they will always be "free." They will own their mistakes and their triumphs both. If not m anaged properly they will be brats.

* They have a feeling of "deserving to be here," and are surprised when others don't share that.

if taught to manage themselves properly, they have a sense of destiny, which is not a bad thing and knowing that some things are ours (like freedom) by virtue of our existance as a human isn't bad either. They just need to learn that sometimes they earn things by hard work instead of by virtue of their very existance.

* They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.

If they are taught to manage themselves, they will learn to manage their time to eliminate alot of these things, which will increase their efficiency. They just need to learn to see their frustration as an indicator that things could be improved rather than just an event which is frustrating. And they need to learn the patience to deal with the situation when unforseen circumstances nix their well laid plans (this is a big deal for me right now)

* They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.

While this may be more pronounced here, i think all people seek those who are like them. Of course we should learn to be happy with ourselves and God if nobody around is like us, and we also need to learn, as I've said before, that not everyone will understand us and that is fine. We don't understand others either...we need to love and respect but there is no requirement that we all be understood. It's a fact of life it won't happen all the time. If they learn this, they will be strong people.

* They will not respond to "guilt" discipline ("Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did").

I don't believe guilt discipline is particularly wise, effective or biblical anyway, so their lack of response should not really be a big deal. Of course they might not respond to much other discipline either. I had to learn alot from the school of hard knocks. My parents would set things up cause I wouldn't learn by spanking, lectures, grounding, time outs, or anything else unless I was "in the mood" to do so. (and I was a good kid most of the time).

All in all, this supposed indigo child is just someone with a strong creative personality in need of some guidence.

[LadyGunivere]

From the sounds of it I was once one of these kids........it will eventually fade over time I believe.

[LadyRaven]

Since they are telling their parents "who they are" they are also not open to "constructive criticism" (trust me on this) or the possibility that someone else does not see them (or does not have to see them) the same way they themselves do.

I can't say I totally agree with this. I always felt as a kid that I knew who I was and was more then happy to share that fact with anyone who would listen. But, I could be open to constructive criticism and if someone else didn't see me as I did, althrough it might have irritated me on the outside, on the inside I had the ability to see what they were talking about and would make a decision if I wanted to correct the behvior I was doing ot not.

I do believe that an unrefined sense of self can very much lead to being completely closed to discipline of the soul, and of course everything that we say about these supposed children are generalisations because there is nobody on earth which fits into a box which is neatly laid out for us, the children which get labelled as indigos, the children which get labelled passive agressive, etc. My experience in this matter is from myself and my children in our "raw" forms and might seem to be on the far end of the scale. However, I believe that the persons who are writing the information about these children sees them as being on the far end of a scale also, and the material I googled seems to indicate that people in touch with these children regard them as "leaders" and parents of children who get labelled as indigos and who believe all this hokey also believe that their children are "parenting" them. This leaves very little room for constructive criticism from those who are considered "less evolved" than they are. I am very happy that you benefited from constructive criticism, a teachable spirit is a good thing and something I just recently aquired and I'm 42.

I believe all authority should be questioned (at least at a theoretical level) at least once to see if it is legit, however this can be taken too far too.

And honestly, when I'm at my pt job doing repetitive tasks it is highly boring and frustrating, but without these things I can't do the creative work I signed up to do. Everyone needs to learn to do those things if the situation calls for it, and it often does.

I don't see how authority being questioned can go too far when it is saying they just need a reason to know why that is a rule, law etc. As long as something is explained and they understand why it is wrong, I think questioning authority can be beneficial.

In theory, you are correct. In practicality, however, you have to learn that not all answers are easy and quick and sometimes you have to accept things the way they are for now and find the answers later. The military comes to mind as a good example, we can't all be commanders and not all commanders know "why" a given order has to be, so how can they explain it to their enlisteds?

I also don't feel everyone needs to get used to the situation they are in. I have been in some very boring jobs, but that is my own fault. I believe there is always a way to make the job a bit more creative. If you don't work well in a certain environment it can benefit you and your employer to adapt how you do things somewhat to make some part of your job a bit more "creative".

Paul said to be content where you are, so, I think that about covers that. Not everthing can be made creative and depending on who we are, some of those things will bore us and be frustrating, but Paul said what he did anyway. Someone has to do those boring jobs and no, not all of them have alot of margin for creativity. Ever worked in a factory? I have. It's boring mostly and the machines and layouts are created to optimise efficiency, not fun. If you get too creative you can be hurt or you can upset the whole rhythm of things. Even the simple act of humming to yourself can cause problems in some factories. If you are in a place which can be made more creative and you have found a way, fine, but I don't think that it's always appropriate to be frustrated because we are not "interested"...I don't think it's biblical for one thing.

The point of what I'm doing is at the end of the next post...I chopped the post cause otherwise it will be too long....

[LadyRaven]

And unless they learn to respectfully put forth their nonconformity as a new creative innovation rather than an ultimate slap on the face of those who have gone before they will never have the opportunity to use this

Of course you are right... but this is what they are simply saying. Even if someone does things the right way but changes the system they are still most likely known as system busters.

and since they think they are royalty, I'm sure it's done in a royal manner and probably rude..

[ayin jade]

Since this thread has something to do with synesthesia, I thought I would post this article I found today.

Paintings can be heard as well as seen, study shows

By Patricia Reaney (Reuters)

Mon Sep 4, 10:36 AM ET

Artists such as Wassily Kandinsky appeal to more than just the visual sense because their work can also be heard -- at least by some people, a British neuroscientist said on Monday.

Synesthetes are individuals in whom one sense triggers another. Their senses are connected, so as well as seeing a painting such as "Composition VIII, 1923" by the Russian painter, the work also triggers sounds.

"What Kandinsky wanted to do was for it to appeal to hearing as well," Dr Jamie Ward, a neuroscientist at University College London (UCL), told a British science conference.

Whether or not Kandinsky was a synesthete is not known but Ward said the artist certainly knew about the sensory phenomenon.

Synesthetes make up only about one to two percent of the population but Ward believes everyone links music and art unconsciously.

To test the theory, in a series of experiments he asked synesthetes to draw and describe their vision of music played by the New London Orchestra.

ANIMATION AND IMAGES

Other people without synesthesia, who acted as a control group, did the same and a professional artist created animations of the images related to the music.

"We played them musical notes and got them to draw and describe what they see," Ward said.

When more than 200 people were shown 100 images and asked to choose the animations that best suited the music they consistently selected the images from the synesthetes.

"It's almost as if everybody can appreciate these synesthetic images even if they don't have synesthesia," he added.

People are born with synesthesia, which runs in families. Ward and other scientists believe that by studying the phenomenon they can learn more about how the senses and thoughts are linked in the brain.

"Kandinsky wanted to make visual art more like music -- more abstract. He also hoped that his paintings would be heard by his audiences," Ward added.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060904/sc_nm/...c&printer=1