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One of the songs that inspired me growing up was Imagine by John Lennon..it was a song that crystalized his vision for the world. Imagine no heaven...no hell below us..above us only sky. I think of the song as a benign view that he developed as a result of things he had read and derived from comparative religion theories of Joseph Campbell and the Beatles' visits with the Maharishi. The dream Lennon had of people living in peace and simply sharing the world is what the song implies as if religion had never existed in the first place. A common goal that I would hope most people generally seek. Religion has driven people apart and caused division and intolerance in the world and the search for God and truth seems to have been lost in the confusion. Imagine a world that got it right and never invented religion but lived in virtual harmony! Is'nt that was Jesus would have wanted for the world anyway?-He was just a guy like Ghandi who spoke of brotherhood and loving one and other. Those are concepts even an atheist can grasp! This whole idea of being "saved" is up to us..we can save ourselves!


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Save ourselves from what?


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This whole idea of being "saved" is up to us..we can save ourselves!

Yes we have done such a great job of saving ourselves so far. There are no wars, no turmoil, nothing wrong in the world...oh wait, there is.

Time to let God take over. Follow the Lord. We are called to reject the sins of the world and live our lives to please Him. If all of mankind lived in unity with God, wow! What an awesome place that would be.

Beleivers have such a destination: heaven.


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One of the songs that inspired me growing up was Imagine by John Lennon..it was a song that crystalized his vision for the world. Imagine no heaven...no hell below us..above us only sky. I think of the song as a benign view that he developed as a result of things he had read and derived from comparative religion theories of Joseph Campbell and the Beatles' visits with the Maharishi. The dream Lennon had of people living in peace and simply sharing the world is what the song implies as if religion had never existed in the first place. A common goal that I would hope most people generally seek. Religion has driven people apart and caused division and intolerance in the world and the search for God and truth seems to have been lost in the confusion. Imagine a world that got it right and never invented religion but lived in virtual harmony! Is'nt that was Jesus would have wanted for the world anyway?-He was just a guy like Ghandi who spoke of brotherhood and loving one and other. Those are concepts even an atheist can grasp! This whole idea of being "saved" is up to us..we can save ourselves!

We cannot save ourselves! We are only saved by faith in Christ, the One who took our punishment for our sin by dying a cruel, bloody death on a cross, and rose again on the third day so we can live forever.

Religion is bad, yes, and God hates religion. This world is in the shape it is in becuase of sin and man thinking he knows it all and that he can save himself! Wrong!


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He was just a guy like Ghandi who spoke of brotherhood and loving one and other. Those are concepts even an atheist can grasp!
First of all Jesus Christ was not "just a guy", like Ghandi, or anyone else for that matter. He was the son of God, fully God and fully man, sent here in an attempt to unite mankind, not make us "Christians". Whether or not you choose to believe that will not change who and what He was JL. And yes, atheists do grasp the "concepts" you speak of (sarcasm), as clearly displayed in any number of violent scenarios raging across the globe. "No God...no peace" is what the result of not having faith in Christ brings to the world.

This whole idea of being "saved" is up to us..we can save ourselves!!
Yeah...good luck with that one. In the end your "salvation" will amount to nothing and will sadly work against you. Eternity is a long time to have to pay a consequence for our ego and pride telling us we know how to live better than God has shown us. God is infallible...man is not !!! You judge God by man's actions and beliefs, this is not correct.

You better be 100% sure you have the "right" answers here JL, because for every right answer there is definitely a wrong one. And if the one we choose is wrong.....???????????

I am absolutely confident in what I believe about Christ and His saving grace.

Are you that confident in your stance??? Really?? Are you???


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Its good to hear from you brother christian.


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This whole idea of being "saved" is up to us..we can save ourselves!

Ephesians 2:8 - "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"


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This whole idea of being "saved" is up to us..we can save ourselves!

Yes we have done such a great job of saving ourselves so far. There are no wars, no turmoil, nothing wrong in the world...oh wait, there is.

Time to let God take over. Follow the Lord. We are called to reject the sins of the world and live our lives to please Him. If all of mankind lived in unity with God, wow! What an awesome place that would be.

Beleivers have such a destination: heaven.

You have faith in this imaginary place called heaven and because you're convinced you're saved, God will take care of you right to the end. It's a tender notion to believe in this afterlife with God and I can tell by your posting you have faith in this. If that brings you comfort-Great, But no one really knows what happens after we die despite all the controversy over it. I suppose it sounds like a dream to just take care of each other and try our best to make this world a better place! But consider that this world is all we have and we just get one shot at life..this one.

Edited by John Lennon

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One of the songs that inspired me growing up was Imagine by John Lennon..it was a song that crystalized his vision for the world. Imagine no heaven...no hell below us..above us only sky. I think of the song as a benign view that he developed as a result of things he had read and derived from comparative religion theories of Joseph Campbell and the Beatles' visits with the Maharishi. The dream Lennon had of people living in peace and simply sharing the world is what the song implies as if religion had never existed in the first place. A common goal that I would hope most people generally seek. Religion has driven people apart and caused division and intolerance in the world and the search for God and truth seems to have been lost in the confusion. Imagine a world that got it right and never invented religion but lived in virtual harmony! Is'nt that was Jesus would have wanted for the world anyway?-He was just a guy like Ghandi who spoke of brotherhood and loving one and other. Those are concepts even an atheist can grasp! This whole idea of being "saved" is up to us..we can save ourselves!

We cannot save ourselves! We are only saved by faith in Christ, the One who took our punishment for our sin by dying a cruel, bloody death on a cross, and rose again on the third day so we can live forever.

Religion is bad, yes, and God hates religion. This world is in the shape it is in becuase of sin and man thinking he knows it all and that he can save himself! Wrong!

Religion is only as bad as man makes it or as good.

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uh huh? And about 3 seconds after you die you'll have changed your tune John, imagine that!

First question, why do you refer to Heaven as imaginary, what proof do you present for this conclusion?

Anne

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