santa claus the evil and dangerous deceiver

[ladypeartree]

Stephen if you look very closely you will find a button on your tv that actually turns it OFF

You can hold as many beliefs as you like about the harm that santa does but as a teacher of many years I can tell you that those children who come from families that do not celebrate Christmas still have a huge amount of enjoyment from all the celebrations going on around them and most if not all find a way to join in....those who have to do so in secret do not however have an adult to go to to share the excitment with and who will gently lead them to see the real meaning of Christmas amongst the "fun and fantasy"

[undone]

I heard that the Little Drummer Boy was in on the conspiracy with Santa. After all, the Little Drummer Boy is non-biblical too but he wants his equal time. I heard that if you play 'parumpa pum pum" backwards it says in a whispering voice "Santa is good..Santa is good".

IT'S TIME FOR A NEW INQUISITION TO RID THE WORLD OF ALL THESE DECIEVERS!

Seriously! There are definately bigger fish to fry out there.

[sweetycakes]

Stephen if you look very closely you will find a button on your tv that actually turns it OFF

You can hold as many beliefs as you like about the harm that santa does but as a teacher of many years I can tell you that those children who come from families that do not celebrate Christmas still have a huge amount of enjoyment from all the celebrations going on around them and most if not all find a way to join in....those who have to do so in secret do not however have an adult to go to to share the excitment with and who will gently lead them to see the real meaning of Christmas amongst the "fun and fantasy"

I agree, LadyP, to a certain extent

I do NOT wish to spoil the fun for ANY child, Christmastime or otherwise.

I think my post was originally aimed at adults, though, who I think should use a little more discretion when promoting all the 'wrappings and trappings' of Christmas. Not necessarily Christians, though - they already have enough discernment, usually, to know the difference.

Maybe my post was just a rant at the secular side of Christmas. I don't think I'm gonna make much impact on that side of it, anyway.

Anyway...here endeth my rant.

Happy Christmas!

[ladypeartree]

Hope your Christmas is very happy and full of the joy that we all need to see us through the next year of battling against the odds....good job we are on the winning side

Our God is sooooo awsome

[tdrehfal]

I think it is not quite right to tell your children that Santa is real, at least I believe there is some element of truth to this, because for some kids once they find out its true they might get the mindset "It's dumb to believe in something you can't see". Which is of course sort of like saying it's dumb to have faith. And on the internet I've read plenty of posts from adult atheists who say I don't believe in God just like I don't believe in Santa clause, the easter bunny, or the tooth fairy. Of course every individual is different though.

[salos]

Citizen, I think your posts here have been most helpful. Thanks!

I haven't read all the posts (17 pages)... did anyone post "Saint Nicholas -- Saint Nick -- Santa Clause -- Santa -- Satan" Does make you think.

I'm sad that almost every Holy Day gets turned into a holiday. (I haven't yet seen Good Friday reduced to a frivolous occasion.) Serious things can bring us deeper joy than shallow things. That is, if we are willing to delight ourselves in the Lord.

[WayneB]

I think my post was originally aimed at adults, though, who I think should use a little more discretion when promoting all the 'wrappings and trappings' of Christmas. Not necessarily Christians, though - they already have enough discernment, usually, to know the difference.

Maybe my post was just a rant at the secular side of Christmas. I don't think I'm gonna make much impact on that side of it, anyway.

Anyway...here endeth my rant.

Brother, for the record...we aren't that far apart. I agree with you that sadly, many people have secularized and commercialized one of the most HOLY days in the year. Also, I congratulate you for how you handled this discussion. It is okay for people not to agree completely on every issue; we can simply agree to not agree without tempers flaring and accusations flying. You did well to moderate your thread. I wish there were more like it.

May the Lord Bless you richly. Merry Christmas.

Wayne

[mts]

i always thought of santa to be involved with lust from the christmas songs the more i thought about them. i'm not going to say this as a joke or mockary....that explains why i was scared of santa when i was young, i didn't want to sit on his lap or anything, the closer i got the more scared i was the more i cried, as does alot of young 3 or 4 year olds when christmas comes around. every year a kid is crying when parents get close to the guy that dresses up as santa.

[Gerioke]

I think my post was originally aimed at adults, though, who I think should use a little more discretion when promoting all the 'wrappings and trappings' of Christmas. Not necessarily Christians, though - they already have enough discernment, usually, to know the difference.

Maybe my post was just a rant at the secular side of Christmas. I don't think I'm gonna make much impact on that side of it, anyway.

Anyway...here endeth my rant.

Brother, for the record...we aren't that far apart. I agree with you that sadly, many people have secularized and commercialized one of the most HOLY days in the year. Also, I congratulate you for how you handled this discussion. It is okay for people not to agree completely on every issue; we can simply agree to not agree without tempers flaring and accusations flying. You did well to moderate your thread. I wish there were more like it.

May the Lord Bless you richly. Merry Christmas.

Wayne

I'm kind of perplexed at what makes Christmas a Holy day. I've seen nothing in the bible declaring aChristmas a Holy day. It seems to me that we confuse tradition with holiness.

[RustyAngeL]

Batman could kick Santa's butt.

Rather then be upset with ol Santa I would be more upset at the violence that on TV every night and in the thearters. At least Santa is kind to children and not out to cut some ones throat.