mortal or immortal soul ?

[Beta]

I have just been reading through some of the posts again and it seems some are being hurt by what is being said so i'll back out. Christianity has been living with the immortal soul for millennia and won't change over-night. When Christ returns he will set us all straight.

[Pilgrim7]

Amen CJ,

You wrote:

'The soul is dead until God breathes life by His Spirit dwelling inside of us. This world will pass away but my immortal soul which is alive with the Spirit will have eternal life in the salvation God has promised!! I pray everyone comes to a deeper awareness that allows them to feel the Spirit, the knowledge that the gift of Faith is always there whether we feel it or not and to have complete trust in our Father!'

Only the indwelling Spirit of Christ, who only has immmortality, can impart immortality to the human soul who is dead in trespasses and sins and condemned to death. This is why only those who recieve Christ have life for immortality begins with the 'Born Again' experience.

Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1:13 Which were born (born again, by the Spirit), not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Believing leads to receiving Christ within through the miracle of the 'New Birth' and thus His immortality and eternal life.

God Bless,

Dennis

[Christian]

I have just been reading through some of the posts again and it seems some are being hurt by what is being said so i'll back out. Christianity has been living with the immortal soul for millennia and won't change over-night. When Christ returns he will set us all straight.

Beta, Thank you for both your sensitivity to others on the matter and especially for the underlined statement above. We would all draw closer if we could somehow disgard many of our divisive views and accept that fact. Passionate as we all can be, many of us are going to be wrong in the end, and there will be no "I told you so's" happening. If we learned that it's ok to "agree to disagree" once in a while about some of the micro- topics we "discuss" we'd all grow more.

J.M.O.

Grace and peace to all,

in Christ,

-C-

[Christian]

To make this short

We sure have different definitions of short sister

Although the Spirit calls our soul it doesn't dwell within us until we accept Christ as our Lord and Savior....The soul is dead until God breathes life by His Spirit dwelling inside of us. God Bless! Cj

I believe the above statement to be incorrect.

Genesis 2:7

(7) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;

and man became a living soul.

The body is dead until God breathes life into it thus giving it a soul.

By using Genesis 7:22

(22) All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

One might try to expound on this being read as "spirit of life", as in some inferior translations, but it is written as breath of life in most. Man has his soul from life being given by God.

The "spirit" I believe you speak of is received upon acceptance of Christ as Lord.

in Christ,

-C-

[Beta]

Now I am in a real quandary.

I said I would back out of this discussion since people felt hurt. It is not my intention to hurt anyone , but it is not what I think that matters but what God says. So at the risk of going back on my word I feel compelled to give out the Word of God even if displeasing people; Mat.5 has a lot to say about offences and how it is better to cut off and pluck out in this life than to have the whole body cast into hell. On thinking about this it becomes obvious that we will suffer for any wrongdoing or wrong concepts that need to be corrected in this life which will cause pain. So I am truly sorry to cause pain but God's Word will also heal again if we let it.

[Pilgrim7]

When God breathed into Adam, He became a living soul, he did not receive a living soul. Before this he was a dead soul. He received life from God. This was not just physical life, but also the Holy Spirit of God. When he disobeyed, he came under the condemnation of God, lost his spiritual life, became dead to God and under sentence of death for the 'wages of sin are death'. He lost the Holy Spirit from whom eternal life proceeds and became subject to eventual physical death, complete destruction. Even in Adam his eternal life was subject to his eating of the tree of life. The only way to be restored to eternal life was to have the Holy Spirit of God restored in him. This was done through faith in the Lamb of God when He repented of his sin, as it is done with us. All are 'dead in trespasses and sins' until they are 'born again' or created again 'unto good works' through the implantation and indwelling of the Holy Spirit through the 2nd Adam and the quickening or life giving Spirit.

1co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

15:22 For as in Adam all die, .................

15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening (life giving) spirit.

This is how one receives the immortality that only Jesus has:

Eph 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

Here he is re-created to good works:

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Not saved by works, but by the indwelling of Jesus through the Holy Spirit, the free gift of Salvation, having been re-created a 'new creation' with 'old things passed away, and all things having been made new and all things of God'.

God Bless,

Dennis

[Beta]

Well, I have come to the conclusion that our differences are becoming ever more divisive the more knowledge we seem to gain. There are now more religious denominations than have ever been and where is it getting us ?

Nothing but arguments on every topic.

Mankind is still eating of the forbidden tree of knowledge Gen.2 v 17, and the results are blatantly obvious. Our self-acquired interpretation of the word of God is turning that tree to ' matchwood ' through the increasing splits caused by our own intellect. Everybody has their own opinion which will burn up like the match unrepentant man has become. Perhaps this post should be in Gen. Disc. Denom. where people are saying denominations are necessary. Yes they are if you want to have part in the lake of fire in which not one will survive.

[Christian]

Well, I have come to the conclusion that our differences are becoming ever more divisive the more knowledge we seem to gain. There are now more religious denominations than have ever been and where is it getting us ?

Nothing but arguments on every topic.

Sad but true

[Pilgrim7]

God is eternal, man is mortal, subject to death because of sin.

1co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Man can only recieve immortality, eternal life, when the eternal, immortal Spirit of the eternal God dwells in Him. Until then he is dead in trespasses and sins and will die the 'second death' in the Lake of fire. All die the first death, whether saved or lost. Thus the need for the resurrection. All will be resurrected, some to life and some to the 'white throne judgment' to suffer the 'second death' in the 'lake of fire' prepared for the devil and his angels as Daniel points out.

Re 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

[Beta]

Pilgrim, you have my wholehearted agreement , couldn't have put it better myself.