mortal or immortal soul ?

[Christian]

The soul is as immortal as the spirit. Both go to be with the Lord upon death.

Not disagreeing with you M.J., but can you (or anyone) offer me the Scriptures that support this.

Just the Scriptures, not any expounding or interpretation of them. I would REALLY appreciate it

Thanks so much

-C-

[Thaddaeus]

Whysoblind,

Your most recent post #87 is an excellent exposition on the difference of Life and Death, spiritually in eternity. Very good.

Edited November 10, 2006 by Thaddaeus

[Beta]

WSB, you wanted scripture to show that the wicked will be ashes under the feet (soles) of the saints,

please see Malachi 4 v 3. I must have listed this scripture at least 3/4 times in this topic and it just goes to show how little notice is taken in an all-out effort to berate and condemn me. I know people get hot under the collar when they have strong beliefs and the ' immortal soul ' has become totally ingrained over many centuries as one of traditional christianity's misconceptions. It will take time for people to see the light and I pray sincerely God will be with them during this struggle. Thing is we have all been deceived at some time and had to repent of having believed a lie but God is great and forgiving.

I am grateful to WTD for his true reading of scripture.

[Beta]

Sorry I forgot to mention Lk.16 v 23 which in my Bible reads : and in hell he lift up his eyes (the rich man) being in torment . . .

so why shout at me for quoting scripture , WSB ? I have no problem with this as I explained in my post the sense this parable makes to me. You are at liberty to form your own opinion without giving me a hard time.

[Floatingaxe]

WSB, you wanted scripture to show that the wicked will be ashes under the feet (soles) of the saints,

please see Malachi 4 v 3. I must have listed this scripture at least 3/4 times in this topic and it just goes to show how little notice is taken in an all-out effort to berate and condemn me. I know people get hot under the collar when they have strong beliefs and the ' immortal soul ' has become totally ingrained over many centuries as one of traditional christianity's misconceptions. It will take time for people to see the light and I pray sincerely God will be with them during this struggle. Thing is we have all been deceived at some time and had to repent of having believed a lie but God is great and forgiving.

I am grateful to WTD for his true reading of scripture.

That is talking about their bodies first of all. This passage has nothing at all to do with hell or final judgment (Mal. 4:3). But is actually referring to the one of the plagues found in revelation where an Angel with the power of the sun is going to burn up many people who worship the beast and blaspheme God.(Rev. 16:8-9). This is not the final judgement, nor does it destroy their souls, as we see them resurrected for final sentencing, and thrown into the lake of fire in Rev. chapter 20.

The punishment of the lake of fire is everlasting, and punishment can't be everlasting unless the subject is also everlasting.

Sorry I forgot to mention Lk.16 v 23 which in my Bible reads : and in hell he lift up his eyes (the rich man) being in torment . . .

so why shout at me for quoting scripture , WSB ? I have no problem with this as I explained in my post the sense this parable makes to me. You are at liberty to form your own opinion without giving me a hard time.

Why do you draw the conclusion that the rich man was ever anywhere OTHER than in hell?

You quote scripture, but then you twist it to say the exact opposite of what it plainly says in both english and the greek. The passage says nothing about the dead man just existing somewhere before going to hell. In the Bible, "Hades" is the word found there in luke 16:23. Here is the definition/translation of "Hades".

Hades: Place of departed souls. Hell. Grave. Hades corresponds to Sheol in the Old Testament.

So in reality, your "in the grave" would still be in hell, being tormented.

BTW, caps is for stress, so don't take it perosnal if I capitalize a word.

Yep!

[Beta]

I can see that your understanding of scripture is entirely different from mine so I will leave you to it WSB.

[Christian]

The soul is as immortal as the spirit. Both go to be with the Lord upon death.

Not disagreeing with you M.J., but can you (or anyone) offer me the Scriptures that support this.

Just the Scriptures, not any expounding or interpretation of them. I would REALLY appreciate it

Thanks so much

-C-

[Beta]

Christian, there is no scripture to say the soul goes to be with the Lord when we die.

Only the spirit returns to God Eccl.12 v 7

[Openly Curious]

Christian, there is no scripture to say the soul goes to be with the Lord when we die.

Only the spirit returns to God Eccl.12 v 7

Christian

Beta believes that the body and soul are one and the same instead of two parts. far as I can tell from what she has posted she believes man is only body and spirit. A two part being instead of a three part being body, soul, and spirit.

Also that the body/soul will be eternally vanquished without a trace for all eternity with no eternal torment and we the saints are going to walk on their ashes that is what Beta believes "but" the spirit goes to God though.

OC

[Openly Curious]

I'm still not sure of your intentions, I do however think that you are crossing Physical life with Spiritual life and are not being quite clear on what you are trying to say.

Peace

CJ

I agree Christopher_John

OC