Question For Athiests

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

As I said, "It is illogical to fear God, He has Loved you right out of hell".

The fear is based upon the weight of the condemnation you are already willingly under and can feel.

Open up to the Love.

Peace,

Dave

[Floatingaxe]

Some Christians believe in the Rapture, the taking away of the Church into Heaven, before, during or after the Tribulation.

My question to athiests is what would you think if you woke up one morning and all the Christians in the world were gone? Would you consider the possibility that a Rapture had taken place, or would you think it was something else?

they might like it.

[sweetycakes]

I don't respect the logic behind the Big Bang because there is no logic behind it. Something can't come from nothing. Life doesn't come from no life. It's someone's best guess as to how the universe could have come into existance without God, and there's no evidence to back it up.

God created Science when He gave us the desire to study and understand the world around us.

Billie, I know this might sound like a silly question, but why does it seem more logical that God could come from nothing or always have existed, than that the universe could come from nothing or always have existed? As far as I can tell, these are both theories which would be, scientifically speaking, beyond our normal concept of phsyics to a certain extent, and both require belief in the idea that either one thing could be eternal or that something could come from nothing. So why is God more logical than the Big Bang?

good point.

The point is that God did not come from nothing.

He always existed. In all eternity. He could not come from nothing.

Like I said earlier, my belief is that, since we are mortal and temporal in our understanding, it is easier for us to imagine ourselves looking forward forever into the future, than looking back and having and understanding of God's eternal being forever into the past.

That is just a result of our limited understanding and perception, though, in my opinion.

[secondeve]

I don't respect the logic behind the Big Bang because there is no logic behind it. Something can't come from nothing. Life doesn't come from no life. It's someone's best guess as to how the universe could have come into existance without God, and there's no evidence to back it up.

God created Science when He gave us the desire to study and understand the world around us.

Billie, I know this might sound like a silly question, but why does it seem more logical that God could come from nothing or always have existed, than that the universe could come from nothing or always have existed? As far as I can tell, these are both theories which would be, scientifically speaking, beyond our normal concept of phsyics to a certain extent, and both require belief in the idea that either one thing could be eternal or that something could come from nothing. So why is God more logical than the Big Bang?

good point.

The point is that God did not come from nothing.

He always existed. In all eternity. He could not come from nothing.

Like I said earlier, my belief is that, since we are mortal and temporal in our understanding, it is easier for us to imagine ourselves looking forward forever into the future, than looking back and having and understanding of God's eternal being forever into the past.

That is just a result of our limited understanding and perception, though, in my opinion.

I've bolded the relevant points in the previous posts. All I'm trying to say is, both theories allow for one pivotal gap in our current understanding of physics: that something, be it God or the universe, could be eternal, OR, depending on which theory you like better, that something could come from nothing. I just don't see why, given the limits of human comprehension, anyone could claim that one of these views on its own, lacking any other evidence or context, was more logical than the other.

Edited November 30, 2006 by secondeve

[Joshua-777]

I don't respect the logic behind the Big Bang because there is no logic behind it. Something can't come from nothing. Life doesn't come from no life. It's someone's best guess as to how the universe could have come into existance without God, and there's no evidence to back it up.

God created Science when He gave us the desire to study and understand the world around us.

Billie, I know this might sound like a silly question, but why does it seem more logical that God could come from nothing or always have existed, than that the universe could come from nothing or always have existed? As far as I can tell, these are both theories which would be, scientifically speaking, beyond our normal concept of phsyics to a certain extent, and both require belief in the idea that either one thing could be eternal or that something could come from nothing. So why is God more logical than the Big Bang?

good point.

The point is that God did not come from nothing.

He always existed. In all eternity. He could not come from nothing.

Like I said earlier, my belief is that, since we are mortal and temporal in our understanding, it is easier for us to imagine ourselves looking forward forever into the future, than looking back and having and understanding of God's eternal being forever into the past.

That is just a result of our limited understanding and perception, though, in my opinion.

I've bolded the relevant points in the previous posts. All I'm trying to say is, both theories allow for one pivotal gap in our current understanding of physics: that something, be it God or the universe, could be eternal, OR, depending on which theory you like better, that something could come from nothing. I just don't see why, given the limits of human comprehension, anyone could claim that one of these views on its own, lacking any other evidence or context, was more logical than the other.

Worldly logic, Yes I agree they are both logical, but understanding, and having a personal relationship with the Lord, takes away worldly logic, he reveals himself to those that want to find him.

[secondeve]

Worldly logic, Yes I agree they are both logical, but understanding, and having a personal relationship with the Lord, takes away worldly logic, he reveals himself to those that want to find him.

I understand your view. I was only talking in the sense of 'wordly logic,' which was - by my interpretation, at least - the context of the original comment.

[Joshua-777]

Worldly logic, Yes I agree they are both logical, but understanding, and having a personal relationship with the Lord, takes away worldly logic, he reveals himself to those that want to find him.

I understand your view. I was only talking in the sense of 'wordly logic,' which was - by my interpretation, at least - the context of the original comment.

You do have some awesome posts.

[secondeve]

Worldly logic, Yes I agree they are both logical, but understanding, and having a personal relationship with the Lord, takes away worldly logic, he reveals himself to those that want to find him.

I understand your view. I was only talking in the sense of 'wordly logic,' which was - by my interpretation, at least - the context of the original comment.

You do have some awesome posts.

Thank you!

[Joshua-777]

no prob

[sierra21]

Hi everyone. I don't usually post in this forum (for a variety of reasons)- but this time I thought I would.

For me, I know I'm not gonna be here when y'all wake up one day to find all the Christians have disappeared. But I would imagine it would be chaotic and extremely scary. Even though you guys think you'd be all logical and understanding- you won't be. You'll be frantic to find out what happened...and once you find out what happened, you're going to want to be with us. After all...it is heaven

I am praying for all the "nonbelievers". You have no idea how amazing it is to have a relationship with Christ...and I suspect that you have thought about it since youve joined worthyboards. You care about it enough to debate it...so methinks you might just be a little curious about what it would be like to live the Christian life. And I have news for you: ITS AWESOME!

If you are thinking about changing your life...and you want to become a better person and live the life you've always dreamed of...I encourage you to learn more about Jesus. Believing in the love and sacrifice of Jesus Christ is the best thing you'll ever do...and I'm praying that today SOMEONE, ANYONE...will be curious enough to seek more knowledge. As always you can PM me and I'd be free to talk with you about anything and everything.

Blessings,

Sierra

(PS- my apologies Billie for getting slightly off topic).