On Oprah today

[sierra21]

This man had enough logic to say "i can't tell anyone about these thoughts because they might take my children away", but he didn't have enough logic to say "whoa, I'm feeling like I might kill my children, I need to get out of here NOW" ????

That is a very good point. Though, when you get depressed enough you often lose the ability to think rationally. That's the type of thing that makes people want to commit suicide and then actually go through with it.. you know?

Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that it was perfectly fine for him to kill his children. It's terrible. But I just think with more peace and understanding from people, this kind of thing can be prevented (or in this man's case, prevented from happening again).

The devil got him... I think he desperately needs some sort of help right now, so he can't be influenced by satan again.

I'm not trying to anger anyone here. I think I've been misunderstood because I'm the kind of person that believes that above all, God wants peace and harmony on earth. I don't think that starts with us saying "this man should be killed for what he's done".

Hun, I am not angry with you, I am simply trying to explain my position. I UNDERSTAND that people who are depressed often cannot think rationally, my issue is that HE DID think rationally when it came to those thoughts. He knew that if he told anyone he would get into trouble, so he didn't. With that kind of rationale one would suppose he could have had the same logic at the time that he murdered his daughters.

Now of course NONE of us really know what happened, only the Lord and David know...and Jesus is really the only one that can change David. I agree with you in that he should not be put to death...but what kind of life is he living now? There is no doubt that he killed his children, and essentially he is going to rot in jail whether or not he gets help...so what is really the point in having him live through that? I realize that my thoughts are ENTIRELY biased...but that's just what I think. I think the legal system is doing him greater punishment by keeping him alive through all of this. I suspect it's only a matter of time until he takes his own life anyhow.

[stitchy]

Yeah, I understand what you're getting at, sierra.

Maybe I live in a fantasy world. In my head, everyone gets along.

I just find the whole situation very saddening. Though, if he lives out the rest of his life in jail, at least that gives more of a chance for him to repent and accept God into his life... that would be a wonderful thing.

[Openly Curious]

We are suppose to judge between right and wrong and I must say that some of the thoughts within this thread are very disturbing to me and it outrages me as well. that the children are overlooked and are no more alive. This was a case of heinous child abuse in it's wickedess form taking the lives of innocent children.

So much sympathy towards this man awee he didn't mean it he just needs help and shouldn't face the death penalty or be made to rot in jail. but this is the message your sending that it is okay to be depressed and kill because we all can sympathize and we all understand.

Well I "DON'T" understand and the man should be held accountable for the death of his own children depressed or not. Just because parents go through times of depression or even have depressive illnesses it doesn't mean they are insane and do not know what they are doing. they still know the differences between right and wrong.

And it in no wise gives the parents the right to beat the snot out of their kids abuse them in the night or kill them because of depression. I have no sympathy whatsoever for those who harm children in any form or fashion. And I find the thoughts of those within this thread who would defend those who do such highly offensive in every sense of the word.

The children are dead and nobody looks at that but are putting the value on this poor man who is depressed now a murderer in the worst kind of way that is their focus and not justice towards the dead children.

Yes I have "anger" because what this man done was not at all a "Mistake" but blantant murder out right in cold blood premeatated even as those kids did not get dead on their own.

Openly Curious

[stitchy]

I didn't once state that it's okay to be depressed, or to kill anyone. I also didn't say that the man shouldn't be held accountable for killing his children. I just think if there was more understanding and peace in the world, these kinds of horrible events would be prevented, and the devil would have no chance at getting any of us.

I'm going to step out of this discussion now because what I am saying is being misunderstood. I don't see any point in trying to put across a point that isn't being understood, and I also don't want to cause anger and fights to erupt.

God bless.

[Openly Curious]

yeah and I'm sure it was a "mistake" when this man was aiminig for his kids and slicing away at them. and that knife just got somehow into his hands. And then we are not to "judge" this situation.

OC

[LadyGunivere]

On top of that....taxpayers will have to pay for him to sit in there..... Like the rest of the ones....I liked it better when prisons were still self sufficant and not relying on the people to take care of them....

[undone]

Oprah makes me depressed.

[sierra21]

Oprah makes me depressed.

Not to be rude, but I don't think your "joke" is in good taste considering this topic.

[undone]

Oprah makes me depressed.

Not to be rude, but I don't think your "joke" is in good taste considering this topic.

Your probably right...I apologize.

[BFP]

I watched the program with great interest, as a person who has suffered depression myself. This man didn't only say that he was afraid that if he said something about his thoughts that he would have his children taken away, but he also said "I DIDN"T SEE THOSE THOUGHTS AS REAL THOUGHTS."

You see, he didn't think that he ever would do that, even though the thoughts might have passed his mind. Depression is a whole different thing than everyday life folks. When he was talking to his mom he may not even at that point had the thought cross his mind! Maybe he was trying to devert that thought with a conversation with someone he loved.

This man was not a monster, he was a great family guy with a great job and alot of very good friends.

His wife is doing the right think by staying with him. Like she said, "I will not allow 20 minutes of an otherwise perfect marriage of many years make this worse than it already is" She is trying to pick up the peices, she KNOWS her husband and loves him deeply enough to be there for him when he needs her most!

BFP