What makes an atheist so scary

[nebula]

Our God is the only RISEN savior.

I'm sorry if I seem like the devil's advocate (no pun intended) if I disagree with many things, but I can think of two other deities that have died and risen again:

OK, so which other dieties gave up their diety to save humanity?

[kat8585]

Our God is the only RISEN savior.

I'm sorry if I seem like the devil's advocate (no pun intended) if I disagree with many things, but I can think of two other deities that have died and risen again:

Hierakles or Hercules: He died after wearing a poisoned robe, but the gods brought him back from Hades and made him a god.

Odin: from Norse mythology. He went on a quest for knowledge throughout the Nordic nine worlds, and stopped at the Well of Knowledge (almost sounds like Dungeons and Dragons, huh?). The keeper of the well told Odin that he could sip from the well and acquire all the knowledge of the world, but he would have to pay the ultimate price.

Odin acceptec this, and the keeper killed him. Of course, the keeper didn't know that Odin was a god. Days later, Odin brought himself back to life and back to his hall in Asgard.

Did these guys really live or are they mythology?

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

This, to me, would only be an important distinction if every other god died, too, but failed to be resurrected.

Otherwise, given that any comparison to other gods would have to function purely on a narrative level - because you can't physically contrast the false acts of nonexistant deities with the true acts of a real one - you're effectively arguing, when you use Christ's resurrection as a selling point for your faith, that Christian myths are better than pagan ones. Kind of like a 'my dad's better than your dad' contest, only with gods.

Eve,

Just because you refuse the cold hard evidence of the Lords Ressurection, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are many witnesses to His Glory and many eyewitness accounts.

It is not a myth. Myths are usually dependant upon made up heroes. However evidence suggests that Jesus Christ did walk the earth and was Crucified. Eyewitness accounts do suggest that He died, was buried, and Rose again. We are not talking about legends or even tall tales. We are talking about a very Living and Real Fleshy man who claimed to be God.

We are also talking about a God who defied all our preconceived notions of how He should act. Usually Mythology is based upon our humanity projected upon the Deity in question. Yet God, Jesus Christ, took the opposite approach. He projected Himself into our humanity and shattered all of our myths and preconceived notions.

Do you believe Him based upon the Evidence at hand?

I do.

Peace,

Dave

[Orexis]

Did these guys really live or are they mythology?

But see, we could say the same thing about Jesus.

Although I personally wouldn't. I don't see a problem with Jesus having enough power to resurrect; I just don't think it was an isolated incident.

[sweetycakes]

I think for me it's the pointy beards and the accents....

Oh, you are too much....

You really are!!

[ethical.atheist]

They will say they are just dialoguing, but it comes across pretty clear that the only reason they have come to a Christian board is to argue us out of our religious beliefs.

Oh my. I thought you meant that atheists were doing something which made it difficult for you to be a Christian. I mean, you if you are going to complain about atheists trying to convert you, I'm afraid few will take you seriously. A Christian will tell you it is their duty to help me find God. I have learned that it is much easier to understand this and become comfortable with it. Besides, I have a lot of questions for the believer, so I am usually excited when they come to talk to me.

How is it so wrong that an atheist might like to explain his/her point of view? ...why do you find it offensive?

[billie]

It isn't when someone, atheist or anything, really, tries to explain their own point of view.

It's when atheists come here get nasty.......

[redeemed098]

Altho self-concocted "atheists" don't have a prayer, they DO have a god of their very own construction. It's called "Secular Humanism," man as god, an offshoot of Hinduism & its 360 gods of cows, monkeys, trees, rivers, hills, whatever. What these kind folk worship as god is, in reality, the VERY CREATION of the Creator God. Personally, I LOVE "atheism" because it comes across as on a par with transgendered bike messengers. Ignorance re God & creation is curable. Stupidity lasts forever though.

Biogenesis thoroughly debunks the fallacious Inert, Blind & Mindless god of "atheism." From nothing comes nothing. No chairs, no automobiles, no loved ones, no cliches, forsooth no enemies either. As soon as our "atheist" friend can produce, let us say, a Starbucks Expresso without a Starbucks or an expresso, zowie, we'd be en route at long last. The right for an "atheist" to be heard doesn't automatically guarantee the right to be taken seriously.

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

You seem to be very derogatory and dismissive when you talk to unbelievers or about atheism, is that attitude allowed here towards christians by atheists? BTW, what is a "self-concocted" atheist? Is it the same thing as a self-concocted christian?

Yes. Please listen.

Yet to all who received him, those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God. Children born NOT of natural descent (You are not born a Child of God), NOR of human decision (You do not choose to BECOME a child of God), OR a husbands will (you cannot be CONVINCED to become a child of God). You are ADOPTED into the family of God. God adopts YOU....You do not adopt God. God accepts YOU....You do NOT accept God. God accepts you through Christ.

A self concocted atheist or Christian is a person who has decided to Live their life a certain way. Those who are atheist do not believe there is a God, and therefore live their lives as though there IS no God. Those who profess to be Christian arent neccessarily Christian at all. They can be followers of religion, living only according to the rules and traditions of men. They practice and follow a false religion. They are headed toward a counterfeit cross. Their is no relationship with God, there is NO repentance and there is no revelation of the depth of their own sins and the outright mercy and grace that God has chosen to pour out upon them. There is no revelation that without Christ there really is no hope at all. All that awaits the unrepentant man is the fullness of Gods wrath.

The bible tells us that when the testing times come and the enticement of the things of the world make their way into mens hearts as idols, those who are false converts will fall away. True persecution will be the only telling factor in the revelation of the REAL sons of God. They are those who are led by the spirit of God, and NOT by men. They are NOT those who "hold to the FORM of religion, yet deny the power." They are those who WAIT upon the Lord and worship him in Spirit and in Truth. They are not simply those who have their names on a church membership roll.

All of creation yearns and waits for the revelation of the sons of God. God knows those who are his. And those who are HIS know HIM.

"For those who are led by the Spirit of God shall be called sons of God."

You cannot be a self concocted Christian. You dont choose God.....God chose YOU. Faith is the gift from God..HE gave it or you simply dont have it at all. You can answer an altar call and even claim to accept Christ and it is possible that NOTHING will ever change in your life.....You must REPENT, and be baptised in the name of Jesus for the remission of your sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:38)

Without the Holy Spirit it is impossible to be a follower of Christ. Growing in Christ is about a relationship. You can confess Jesus all you like, however if you are not living in a relationship with him and growing every day in the knowledge of the Love of Christ then you are not a Christian. Im not talking about luvy dovey sickly sweet love either.

Im talking about the realisation that Christs ultimate demonstration of Love toward man was in his journey to the cross for our sins. Complete, Total and selfLESS sacrifice for those who would condemn him and hate him. True Love is selfLESS...It seeks the wellbeing of others NOT self. Jesus thus became the standard of what True selfless Love is all about. True love sacrifices ALL for NOTHING in return. Love is a word used very loosely these days...If you want to see the true meaning of Love, then look to the cross.

Jesus didnt run around telling everyone that he loved them....He didnt tell them to accept him. He spoke some very important words.....

"Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand." He also said this..."Unless a man repents, he shall perish."

God accepts YOU.....YOU dont accept God. And God ONLY accepts you through the self sacrificing work of the Cross. Not some stupid altar call.

Regards,

Ben.

[heartofstone]

^ For me there is no other God, at all. And I don't fear that I've picked the wrong one then either. To me, there couldn't be any God better than the One Christians worship. Have you read in any of your studies about other gods that promise and love as much as our God does? Who other than our God can guarantee let alone say all that He does? I don't believe that there's anything else out there that can offer what Jesus and the God of the Hebrews and Christians actually does. (I"m sorry, seems like a pointless post now, a bit of rambling actually, maybe off topic).

Our God is the only RISEN savior.

I'm sorry, are you just agreeing or are you trying to tell me that as if I didn't say that I believed in Jesus as the Savior and only way to God? I meant in my post that there are no other gods before the Christian God just to be clear that it's God, you know?

Edited November 25, 2006 by heartofstone

[nebula]

They will say they are just dialoguing, but it comes across pretty clear that the only reason they have come to a Christian board is to argue us out of our religious beliefs.

Oh my. I thought you meant that atheists were doing something which made it difficult for you to be a Christian. I mean, you if you are going to complain about atheists trying to convert you, I'm afraid few will take you seriously. A Christian will tell you it is their duty to help me find God. I have learned that it is much easier to understand this and become comfortable with it. Besides, I have a lot of questions for the believer, so I am usually excited when they come to talk to me.

How is it so wrong that an atheist might like to explain his/her point of view? ...why do you find it offensive?

This one guy came in saying he was not here to change anyone's beliefs or convictions, but just to share his opinion.

By that time, the arguments - er discussions - had gone on for over 10 pages.

So I responded - OK, we've shared our opinnion, and you shared your opinion. We disagree. So why are we still debating about this?

He then berated me for being a poor debater or something weird like that.

So, that's what I mean.

If your intent is to convert me to your side, at least admit it. But so often, they don't.