My favorite quotes from evolutionists

[MorningGlory]

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One good source of information is Alan J. White's book " Human Origins ". I accept evolution of animals and plants; I do not accept that we descended from apes or humanlike creatures. DNA is backing the contention that what makes us human, born in the image of the Creator, is unique to man.

Why does the fact (or presupposition, I'm not claiming it's definitely true) that we are descended from apes make any difference to the idea that we were created in god's image? What if god intended for evolution to happen, knowing that it would result in us?

[systemstrike_7]

One good source of information is Alan J. White's book " Human Origins ". I accept evolution of animals and plants; I do not accept that we descended from apes or humanlike creatures. DNA is backing the contention that what makes us human, born in the image of the Creator, is unique to man.

Why does the fact (or presupposition, I'm not claiming it's definitely true) that we are descended from apes make any difference to the idea that we were created in god's image? What if god intended for evolution to happen, knowing that it would result in us?

Genesis

[HUBIE]

Darwin's Theory of Evolution is still only a theory. Cite any evidence you have for this theory having moved from the status of theory into fact please.

Again, clarification must be made. Evolution is an observed phenomenon - it is a fact which is not a matter of contention by any significant percentage of the scientific community. The mechanisms behind it are the theory (the coherent set of scientific principles that explain the phenomenon). So evolution is actually both a fact and a theory.

For a starter for evidence, try Evolution Pages and 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution

Faithquestions,

Thanks for the reply and I'm sorry I've taken so long to respond - work keeps getting in the way of my hobbies!

I've no issue with variation. I also understand intimately the "commonalities" that are present among species. This doesn't equal evolution and can't be made to explain the differences. The key to the whole puzzle is not what is common, but instead what is so different.

A V-8 Internal combustion engine share operating prinicples with a Gas Turbine (jet) Engine, however; no matter how many commonalties they share, one can never become the other no matter how you manipulate the parts. They leave the investigator with the inescapable conclusion that there was an intelligent designer (Engineer) behind their existance.

The biggest problem with evolution (which Darwin predicted by the way) is that Empirical Observation has completely failed to support the Theory. The Evolutionary Model has failed to produce ANY evidence of Macroevolution. I know this is frustrating to the Evolutionist's present, but it remains to be the true fact of the matter. Fossil Record - Zero. DNA - Zero. BioChemistry - Whopping Big Zero.

Let me leave you with one thought. If Evolutionary Scientists had such faith in the Evolutionary Model, why have so many of them resorted to falsifying their experiments in order to try to convince us? Isn't falsifying experiments the cardinal sin of Science? And why won't the Evolutionary Community own up to the charlatins in their midst? I know most Christians and Creationists will humbly admit that there are many charlatins within the Christian Community; not that we like it, but it is what it is I guess.

Joe

[Candi770]

My Favorite:

When darwin himself thought that caucasians were the most evolved race. . . Just like Hitler (this proves what kind of man we are dealing with)

"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized race of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time, the anthropomorphous ape. . will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the CAUCASIAN, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the NEGRO or AUSTRALIAN nad the gorilla. . . It has often been said. . that man can resist with impunity the greatest diversities of climate and other changes; but this is true only of the civilized races. Man in his wild condition seems to be in this respect almost as susceptible as his nearest allies, the anthropoid apes, which have never yet survived long, when removed from their native country." - Charles Darwin, 1896 in The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex.

There you Go. . . Just like Hitler.

Well, God sees us all as equal= I prefer it that way.

[Candi770]

Darwin was indeed a racist. (Nearly) all whites were back then. By your standards, we can compare most contemporaries of Darwin to be Hitler. Countless Christian Hitlers. Hitlers in the preisthood. Hitlers everywhere. What's worse, many of these people used the Bible to justify their racism. Slaveholders all over the antebellum South drew on Bible to "morally" justify their trade. Do you want to see some of their favorite passages?

I could go on, but I don't think it would be respectful to you or your faith. Just like it's pretty disrespectful of you to liken a dead man to Hitler, ignoring the fact most people in his society held such views. And it's even more ridiculous to use such insults to discredit his work in science.

Read up on your history. And show a little respect for the dead.

I'm not disrespecting you,why are you taking this personal, I was only showing what kind of man he was, Hitler was a racist and so was Darwin, these are not characters I would follow, For if the fruit on the tree is poisonious the whole tree is poisonious.

True Christians are not racists.

I'm sure that you can't be a racist and a child of God at the same time. Jesus will be telling many, depart from me I never knew you.Every man stands alone, not as a Christian Group. I really don't need your respect as far as my faith is concerned, You can't touch it!

[Candi770]

Darwin was indeed a racist. (Nearly) all whites were back then. By your standards, we can compare most contemporaries of Darwin to be Hitler. Countless Christian Hitlers. Hitlers in the preisthood. Hitlers everywhere. What's worse, many of these people used the Bible to justify their racism. Slaveholders all over the antebellum South drew on Bible to "morally" justify their trade. Do you want to see some of their favorite passages?

I could go on, but I don't think it would be respectful to you or your faith. Just like it's pretty disrespectful of you to liken a dead man to Hitler, ignoring the fact most people in his society held such views. And it's even more ridiculous to use such insults to discredit his work in science.

Read up on your history. And show a little respect for the dead.

I'm not disrespecting you,why are you taking this personal, I was only showing what kind of man he was, Hitler was a racist and so was Darwin, these are not characters I would follow, For if the fruit on the tree is poisonious the whole tree is poisonious.

True Christians are not racists.

I'm sure that you can't be a racist and a child of God at the same time. Jesus will be telling many, depart from me I never knew you.Every man stands alone, not as a Christian Group. I really don't need your respect as far as my faith is concerned, You can't touch it!

The point was that you were blatantly using an ad hominem against Darwin. As for "True Christians", that's just a classic No True Scotsman fallacy.

Well, a "true Christian will be in heaven and all others will be in hell- sorry no fallacy there.

[jeffnevins]

Darwin was indeed a racist. (Nearly) all whites were back then. By your standards, we can compare most contemporaries of Darwin to be Hitler. Countless Christian Hitlers. Hitlers in the preisthood. Hitlers everywhere. What's worse, many of these people used the Bible to justify their racism. Slaveholders all over the antebellum South drew on Bible to "morally" justify their trade. Do you want to see some of their favorite passages?

I could go on, but I don't think it would be respectful to you or your faith. Just like it's pretty disrespectful of you to liken a dead man to Hitler, ignoring the fact most people in his society held such views. And it's even more ridiculous to use such insults to discredit his work in science.

Read up on your history. And show a little respect for the dead.

I'm not disrespecting you,why are you taking this personal, I was only showing what kind of man he was, Hitler was a racist and so was Darwin, these are not characters I would follow, For if the fruit on the tree is poisonious the whole tree is poisonious.

True Christians are not racists.

I'm sure that you can't be a racist and a child of God at the same time. Jesus will be telling many, depart from me I never knew you.Every man stands alone, not as a Christian Group. I really don't need your respect as far as my faith is concerned, You can't touch it!

The point was that you were blatantly using an ad hominem against Darwin. As for "True Christians", that's just a classic No True Scotsman fallacy.

Didn't Darwin say darker-skinned people were closer to apes?

[billie]

Wow, he sounds like a classy guy.........not!

[systemstrike_7]

Well, a hundred years ago just about all the southern Protestant Christians would have agreed with him. Quit attacking the guy. It's his theory we're worried about.