Ephesians 2:8-10

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Jedi, my young brother, It's plain to see that you are a young christian, who is on fire for the Lord as are we all on this board. But a little bit of advice.

Test the water, swim between the flags, and dont go in over your depth. as the old saying goes, "dont try and tell your grandmother how to suck eggs" I admire your zeal little brother, for we all need to be zealous for knowledge of the word, but tread lightly, listen and learn.

Have a great day in the Lord.......eric.

Jedi, my young brother, It's plain to see that you are a young christian, who is on fire for the Lord as are we all on this board.

Can you explain in detail why you keep calling me a young immature christian? How do you make this judgement of me and why? I agree that I am on fire but what does that have to do with being young or old. Should the fire go out when you get older in the Lord or, should it increase?

But a little bit of advice.

Test the water, swim between the flags, and dont go in over your depth. as the old saying goes, "dont try and tell your grandmother how to suck eggs"

I again what have I said that makes you think I am a young unexperianced christian? And what makes you think your so spiritually mature? Is this an age thing? Just because because your physically older does not make you more spiritually mature or more wise in the Lord?

I admire your zeal little brother, for we all need to be zealous for knowledge of the word, but tread lightly, listen and learn.

Thanks for the advise, but again why do you say i am: little, young and unexperianced. You dont even know me?

Where have you gotten that idea that only the young are supposed to be on fire for God. I believe if you dont love the Lord with all your heart, soul, and strength today as you did in beginning then your backsliding. We should be growing in our love and passion (zeal) and faith for the Lord, not decreasing.

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. (Rev 3:15-19)

Those who think and act like they are spiritually rich are the ones that think they have reached the plato of spirituality and have no need of nothing. They have seen it all, done it all, and have you can't tell me nothing attitude. They nolonger hunger and thirst for more of God and they can not be taught because they think they already know it all. They have lost the fire and the love and passion for God. But the bible says those that think this way are in reality poor, blind, and naked and most miserable.

God bless and thanks for the advise.

[eric]

Jedi I always seem to be telling you to simmer down. You ask me why I think you are young, well because when you dropped a bomb about christians being 'wimps', I was the fourth person to reply. I referred to you as 'young brother' then and you never never denied your youth then, so why now. Besides you write like a kid not long out of college and you did mention something about witnessing on the campus. Not only that I'm a great grandfather and anyone under the age of forty is a young or little brother to me. So wind your head in, show a little respect and dont ever think you know it all, because the chances some of the people on this board have forgotten more than you'll ever know. Furthermore I do not think I am more spiritually mature than you or anyone else or that I think the spiritual fire goes out as you grow older instead it burns fiercer. I tried to warn you on your 'wimp' thread that you were in muddy waters, but after you had stirred the pot you shot through and didn't reply to the other posters. We dont take kindly to 'trolls' on here, we like to discuss things in a friendly and brotherly manner.

So stop getting your hair in a tangle and listen (not necessarily to me, I'm still learnig) to some of the veterans on this board and you could learn something.

Blessings your older brother in Christ.....eric

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Jedi I always seem to be telling you to simmer down.

That is true. lol I do sometimes seem to get a little carried away, but thats why I have people like you.

I referred to you as 'young brother' then and you never never denied your youth then, so why now. Besides you write like a kid not long out of college and you did mention something about witnessing on the campus.

Well you are not far off about my age. I just turned 30years old. I have two kids and I am currently in the USAF.

[BlindSeeker]

Well I feel good . . . bless the both of you.

[eric]

I'm glad Brother William (BlindSeeker) I like happy endings too

[BlindSeeker]

I'm coming in late on this ...but would like to throw in answer to you Blind...

it's a "state of being".

. . .  I'm inclined to go along with the "state of being" . . . . 

. . . Is salvation a "state of being"? Must be, either you are saved or you're not . . .

Well, since it seems to be agreed upon to some measurable degree that salvation is a "state of being" . . . what exactly is it a state of being of?

Please bear with me . . . now's your chance CWJ

  . . . Let's see if others reply to that question, then I will be glad to expound for you.

Blessings, Carl.....once saved always saved........

Peace,

William

[His son]

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-No one is saying that we should not strive everyday to not commit sin. No one is saying that sinning is OK. It is just getting ridiculous to assert that it is possible to be as spotless as Jesus. Even if you do not commit a sin in the flesh, you will never be like Jesus this side of eternity, because your flesh still exists and it is tainted with sin.

With this kind of a statement you are calling Jesus a liar, be it innocently or interntionaly, olnly you know. He is the one who told us we can do all things He did, and greater things shall ye do.

[eric]

G'day BS, my worthy brother, this thread seemed to have been side-tracked somewhere along the line and if I am resposible I apologise. I lost track of it myself,but now we are back again and I'm not sure who His son is quoting, without tracing right back to the beginning, However I, like your self am waiting for CWJ to come back with what he thinks our' state of being' refers to. Most interesting.

Regards.....eric.

[CWJ]

Well simply it is the state of being which is permanent.

We are new creatures, re-born of God, now children of God. Possessing eternal life. Spritually sinless state of being.

1John 5:13.."These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God."

By believing (with repentance), we get re-birth of the spirit which is eternal.

Present tense...."that you may know that you have eternal life.

1John is full of the guarantee...signed sealed and deliverd....by JESUS

[eric]

Thank you CWJ, I cant argue with that,except the permanent part. As Yogi Bear said,' it aint over till it's over'

quote.

Well, since it seems to be agreed upon to some measurable degree that salvation is a "state of being" . . . what exactly is it a state of being of?

To me it,s a state of being delivered from the consequences of sin, a state of being justified in God's eyes, of being forgiven, but I have to add it is no guarantee of eternal security IMO. All of those are only the ticket for the journey. You have to get through customs at the other end to make sure you're not carrying anything unworthy of entry.

Some of my thoughts anyway.

regards.........eric