Trinity

[Mutzrein]

Who is the question for?

As for me, yes - Jesus is the only begotten of the Father.

The question was directed at, Fiosh.

In regards to your response though:

And just to be sure, Fiosh, and anyone wishing to answer, Jesus Christ is the only begotten of God? Which makes God his Father, yes?

Yep - His Father is His God and my God . . .

Edited March 29, 2007 by Mutzrein

[firehill]

Who is the question for?

As for me, yes - Jesus is the only begotten of the Father.

The question was directed at, Fiosh.

In regards to your response though:

And just to be sure, Fiosh, and anyone wishing to answer, Jesus Christ is the only begotten of God? Which makes God his Father, yes?

Yep - His Father is His God and my God . . .

. . . One God.

And every knee shall bow to His Son, Jesus Christ who is Lord over all. Glory be to God forever and ever.

He gave His only begotten Son.

[IslandRose]

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him , and for him :

17 And he is before all things , and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Sounds like God to me.

[firehill]

Great Scripture.

The Son is the revelation of God to be sure yet can he ever be his Father, God?

I'm not arguing eternity-past for the following reasons at least:

1) God is not bound to time

2) the Word was God and put on flesh

I don't think or believe that it needs to be asked whether or not God 'became' human does it? Did He become one of us to redeem us or did He keep His unchangeable ontiology?

Did He send His Son to redeem us?

[apothanein kerdos]

Is Jesus God?

It is a very simple question.

[IslandRose]

Those verses say that Jesus is the creator and sustainer of the universe. God!

[firehill]

Is Jesus God?

It is a very simple question.

In him dwelt all the fulness of God . Jesus Christ is the Son of God, not a mere man.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and put on flesh.

The Truth is not ever so simple. Wish it were!

[firehill]

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him , and for him :

17 And he is before all things , and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

v.12 Speaks of God

v.13 speaks of the power of darkness and the kingdom of God's only begotten Son

v.14 in whom we are saved

v.15 who is the revelation of God to us...

v.16 by the Son, the revelation of God all things were created by and for the Son

v.17 before all things, by him all things hold together

v.18 the life of the church, the beginning, firstborn from the dead, so that in all things he might have preeminence

v.19 it pleased God (the Father) that in His Son all fullness should dwell

[jamie]

I want to point out that the Trinity is an accepted doctrine of the faith and one of those measures by which ministries are measured to be orthodox or unorthodox. A believer's salvation in Christ is certainly not measured in the same way. Whether a believer agrees or disagrees with the Trinity, has a different view or understanding of the Trinity, or disbelieves the Trinity doctrine entirely, in no way compromises his or her salvation. Salvation is by life not doctrine.

Can you please provide Scripture to support this statement? Salvation is by faith, yes, but faith in what? What if I have "faith" that Jesus didn't really die...am I going to heaven? How can a person deny the Diety of Christ and still be saved?

Denial of the deity of Christ is not the same as using the doctrine of the Trinity to confirm or reject a person's salvation. The Scriptures affirm clearly that if anyone denies that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh he is not of Him. However, the doctrine of the Trinity being used as a measure of ones faith in Christ is purely religious in nature.

Your understanding of this is a breath of fresh air, Ovedya

[Fiosh]

Have you noticed that Mutzrein still has not said, "Jesus is God" ?