Trinity

[Kabowd]

Jesus Christ was completely human and within his physical vessel dwelt the fullness of God. He is the Son of God.

So in your view He was not God? He was a human with "Godly qualities"?

Colossians 2:9

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

In Jesus Christ, completely human, the Son of God dwelt all the fullness of God.

No, he didn't merely have 'godly qualities'.

Do you deny that Jesus was God? Yes or no?

[Iryssa]

Jesus Christ was completely human and within his physical vessel dwelt the fullness of God. He is the Son of God.

So in your view He was not God? He was a human with "Godly qualities"?

Colossians 2:9

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

In Jesus Christ, completely human, the Son of God dwelt all the fullness of God.

No, he didn't merely have 'godly qualities'.

Do you deny that Jesus was God? Yes or no?

I think that was meant to be a "no."

[Kabowd]

Jesus Christ was completely human and within his physical vessel dwelt the fullness of God. He is the Son of God.

So in your view He was not God? He was a human with "Godly qualities"?

Colossians 2:9

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

In Jesus Christ, completely human, the Son of God dwelt all the fullness of God.

No, he didn't merely have 'godly qualities'.

Do you deny that Jesus was God? Yes or no?

I think that was meant to be a "no."

Huh? You're saying you think she does NOT deny that? Her previous posts sure do not give that indication at all. This is why it would be really beneficial if she would just clarify and say "Yes, Jesus was God".

[Iryssa]

Jesus Christ was completely human and within his physical vessel dwelt the fullness of God. He is the Son of God.

So in your view He was not God? He was a human with "Godly qualities"?

Colossians 2:9

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

In Jesus Christ, completely human, the Son of God dwelt all the fullness of God.

No, he didn't merely have 'godly qualities'.

Do you deny that Jesus was God? Yes or no?

I think that was meant to be a "no."

Huh? You're saying you think she does NOT deny that? Her previous posts sure do not give that indication at all. This is why it would be really beneficial if she would just clarify and say "Yes, Jesus was God".

Whoops, sorry, I was saying that I think she was saying "no, I don't think Jesus was merely a man with some godly qualities."

so...er..."yes, He is God."

*laugh* sorry...just got off work...tired...brain not functioning right.

[Kabowd]

Whoops, sorry, I was saying that I think she was saying "no, I don't think Jesus was merely a man with some godly qualities."

so...er..."yes, He is God."

*laugh* sorry...just got off work...tired...brain not functioning right.

No offense, but I think we're attempting to let her clarify what she is actually saying. We're trying to give her the opportunity to state her belief, but they continue to be vague. So if you don't mind, let's let here state it explicitly for herself k?

To firehill: Jesus was God, yes or no?

[Fiosh]

Is Jesus God?

It is a very simple question.

In him dwelt all the fulness of God . Jesus Christ is the Son of God, not a mere man.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and put on flesh.

The Truth is not ever so simple. Wish it were!

Actually it is very simple.

Jesus is God.

[Fiosh]

Is the major problem that it seems incredulous to you that God would come to us in the flesh?

We agree that God, i.e. the Word put on flesh, or 'God came to us in the flesh' since the Word was God.

We also agree that, Jesus Christ was the Son of God, God was His Father via the HS through the incarnation, yes?

Here's where we disagree as it seems to me: If Jesus Christ (in the fullest sense, which means including his humanity, or vessel in which dwelt all the fullness of God) is God then God is both divine and human. God does not change. Therefore I'm saying that all the fullness of God dwelt IN his body, his vessel and am not saying that humaness is God. Does that make sense?

Here's another way I'll put it. If I say 'Jesus is God' know for sure that I don't mean his human nature is God but rather I'm only speaking in reference to the fullness of God that dwelt in him. But really to say that 'Jesus is God' is to say that humaness is God, that is in the literal sense! Jesus is the Son of God.

I think I understand your confusion. You are trying to separate Jesus into His human nature and His Divinity. You can't do that. When you talk about Jesus, you reference the Person of Jesus Christ, fully God and fully man.

[eric]

In Acts1:6, Jesus met with His disciples He told them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father.

That was the natural man part of Jesus talking to His froends,

In verse, 9, He was raised up in a cloud and out of sight. That was the super natural God part of Him. One second He is man and the next second He is God. As Fiosh said,......simple.

[apothanein kerdos]

Is the major problem that it seems incredulous to you that God would come to us in the flesh?

We agree that God, i.e. the Word put on flesh, or 'God came to us in the flesh' since the Word was God.

We also agree that, Jesus Christ was the Son of God, God was His Father via the HS through the incarnation, yes?

Here's where we disagree as it seems to me: If Jesus Christ (in the fullest sense, which means including his humanity, or vessel in which dwelt all the fullness of God) is God then God is both divine and human. God does not change. Therefore I'm saying that all the fullness of God dwelt IN his body, his vessel and am not saying that humaness is God. Does that make sense?

Here's another way I'll put it. If I say 'Jesus is God' know for sure that I don't mean his human nature is God but rather I'm only speaking in reference to the fullness of God that dwelt in him. But really to say that 'Jesus is God' is to say that humaness is God, that is in the literal sense! Jesus is the Son of God.

I think I understand your confusion. You are trying to separate Jesus into His human nature and His Divinity. You can't do that. When you talk about Jesus, you reference the Person of Jesus Christ, fully God and fully man.

Right. What I'm seeing from firehill is saying that Jesus was a human that God entered into via the Holy Spirit.

Firehill...is Jesus Christ a created being? Not, "Is He human," but was He created at some point...or is He eternal?

[Mutzrein]

How do trintarians account for scriptures such as this which make a distinct differentiation between Jesus and God?

And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?