Eternal Security??

[His son]

And who is the one that completes this "process"....which is a guarentee in scriptures?

Clue.....it's not the saint.

Lets see you line these few Scriptures up with that clue. And mind you this is just a few of the many that deal with the conditional on our freewill choices of salvation.

Naves contingencies

Gen 2:9 & 17

Exod 19:5

Exodus 25:2

Exod 34:14+

Leviticus 1:3

Leviticus 19:5

Leviticus 22:19,30

Lev 26:Most

Numbers 15:

Deut 7:12-26

Deut 8:19

Deut 11:13+many

Deut 12:4-6

Deut 16:10

Deut 23:23

Deut 27:13+

Deut 28:2+

Deut 30:1-3,15+19,

Joshua 8:34+

Josh 24:15+

Judges 2:20-21

Judges 5:2,9

Judges 7:14

I Samuel 7

II Sam 24:12-14

I Kings 3:14

I Kings 6:12

I Kings 9:4+

I Chron 28:7

II Chronicles 29:31

Nehemiah 11:2

Job 36:11-12

Prov 11:5

Prov 24:16

Isa 1:19-20

Isaiah 66:4

Jer 21:8+

Jer 42:12+

Eze 18:Most

Dan 12:1-3

Hosea 14:1

Amos 5:7

Mat 4:10

Mat 6:24

Luke 4:8

Luke 16:13

John 8:23-24,34-36+

Acts 7:42+

Acts 18:13

Romans 8:29+

II Cor 8:11+

Philem 1 13+

Heb 11:24+

I Peter 1:2

I Peter 5:2

II Peter 1:2+ Rom 8

Rev 14:7

I have a clue for you, your post shows you to be deceived.

[johnjackofmn]

Okay, if God is the One Who Save Me, then it is God who saves me, I cannot save myself.

If I can do something which will "unsave" me, then salvation is up to me, I can save myself if I can "unsave" myself.

Once God has me in the Palm of His Hand, I don't think I can be the one to let go.

God did not say he will save me as long as I walk the thin line. He said He would forgive me of my sins and grant me (get this ) ETERNAL life.

Eternal is Eternal, so what's the problem? You want to be your own God and say that you can undo what God has done? I think that is the result of pride.

[WayneB]

Once God has me in the Palm of His Hand, I don't think I can be the one to let go.

Actually some do let go just as Satan and 1/3rd of the heavenly host did. When we were saved, our will wasn't checked at the door. That's why Jesus said in John 15 that He will abide in us IF we abide in him. It is a covenant relationship.

John 15:5 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

We have a good discussion going on in another thread that you may want to check out. It focuses on the follwing question ---

If you believe in OSAS/UES, how do you reconcile Jesus' words to His disciples in the vineyard? John 15 is an awesome discourse and the key to the Truth regarding this issue.

God Bless all,

Wayne

[Rick]

[ Quote ]

" apart from me you can do nothing. " Maybe that means save yourself.

Rick

[CWJ]

God started eternal security:

Romans 11:29..."For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."

Says it all right there. Salvation is a gift...read Eph 2:8,9,10

mmmmmmm........

You should all read my new post in answer to Saved by Grace's inquiry about John 15 1-6.

[endure4salvation]

God started eternal security:

Romans 11:29..."For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."

Says it all right there. Salvation is a gift...read Eph 2:8,9,10

mmmmmmm........

Actually, Satan started eternal security:

Genesis 3:4

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die.

Nobody here is denying that we do have security in Christ (key word "IN"). Just because God will not revoke our salvation, that does not mean that we can not walk away from God after our initial salvation experience. In fact.........

Hebrews 3:12-14

See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.  But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness.  We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Actually, Satan started eternal security:

Genesis 3:4

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die.

Nobody here is denying that we do have security in Christ (key word "IN"). Just because God will not revoke our salvation, that does not mean that we can not walk away from God after our initial salvation experience. In fact.........

Amen Bro.

[godrulz]

Salvation is a relationship that involves two parties. Salvation is not all of God, and none of man. It is not all of man, and none of God. It is both/and, not either/or. God initiates and we respond. He provides the grounds for salvation (reason for which=grace) and we meet His conditions (not without which=repentance, faith, continuance with His help).

Rom. 9-11 is about the nation of Israel (gifts/calling), NOT individual salvation.

[forevercascade]

Having grown up in a "once saved always saved tradition" and then later being discipled by "falling from grace" folks, I went to the Lord and asked Him which idea was right. I expected that He would answer through His word as I sought Him. Initially I could only go back and forth in trying to decide which camp I fit into, but all He would say is "Just trust Me".

I have since realized that I have no control or decision making capability about anyone's salvation but my own, and since in this life only today is promised, and the Bible clearly states that "Today is the day of salvation" that all the scenerios I can think of are fruitless for me.

Am I saved today? When I am convicted of sin in my life I have the opportunity to let my heart be contrite and repent or to resist the Spirit. I have made both choices in the past, but "Today is the day of salvation" Is my conscience clear? Am I rejecting his favor and mercy and love today?

Love you all,

Viki

[CWJ]

God started eternal security:

Romans 11:29..."For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."

Says it all right there.