genesis 1

[Joshua-777]

Now just a quick question, would being engulfed in water and mud for a long period of time iincreace the rate of fossilisation? I do know that being in water a long time, will actualy take in more minerals in the bone.

In order for a fossil bone to be replaced, or filled in with minerals, then yes, you need water seeping from above to leach the minerals out of the rocks, then replace the bone. But you don't always need water initially - fossils can also be preserved in very dry conditions (in sand, for example), Sometimes the bone is completely dissolved and leaves a cast, and can be filled in later.

Fossils are very often laid in shallow lakes/ponds where the water is not refreshed. They sink in the soft mud, and are thus preserved, as long as there is no oxygen to rot them. The bottom of deep seas is also a good place for this to happen.

Other ways to create fossils are by the change of materials under heat and pressure - the original bone material remains, but in a chemically-altered state.

Thanks for your reply, I guess if a world wide flood did occur than it would quicken the fossils forming.

[Guest]

The earliest hypothesis of our time is Genesis.

For Genesis to be factual, it needs to agree with Science.

And there isn't anything wrong with debunking a man's idea of how we were created.

We do that all the time with science.

Genesis is NOT a hypothesis, my friend.

The Bible is history, not science.

Since God created science, along with everything else, the prerequisites for the authenticity of Genesis were also created by Him.

You can debunk any man's idea of creation; you cannot debunk the Bible.

Oh Dear!

Buy them books and send them to school and what do they do?

Can't even get the spelling of God right!

They mix Him up with m - a - n.

The issue is not God's acts of Creation Versus rocks becoming puppy dogs.

The Issue - Who Is Jesus of Nazareth?

"And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS." (John 19:19)

Deny Jesus and you deny Creation.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

"The same was in the beginning with God."

"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:1-3)

Deny Jesus and you deny Salvation

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

Deny Jesus and you deny The Way.

"Cause me to hear thy lovingkindness in the morning; for in thee do I trust: cause me to know the way wherein I should walk; for I lift up my soul unto thee." (Psalms 143:8))

Deny Jesus and you deny The Truth.

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:32)

Deny Jesus and you deny Life.

"For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD." (Proverbs 8:35)

Jesus

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)

The Thief

"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:" (John 10:10)

Jesus

"I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." (John 10:10)

Your Choice

"And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." (Joshua 24:15)

He's Knocking

"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." (Revelation 3:20)

An honest skeptic might honestly ask "God are you out there?"

[Guest]

An honest skeptic might honestly ask "God are you out there?"

AMEN! Open your minds to the confirmation bias!

Spoken like a man who once tasted.

"O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him." (Psalms 34:8)

But who did not trust?

What happened?

[Jorge S]

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

I just noticed somthing, the heavens and the earth in creation do not have a time, on the first day God created day and night, but it does not say he created the earth, or heavens in a day. Somthing I was just wondering other's views about.

I understand from Bible commentators that Hebrew does not have a native word for Universe or Cosmos, so the modism 'the heavens and the earth' was used instead. It defines the totality of something by mentioning its extremes. See a solemn variation -also concerned with Creation- in the following passage:

Isa 66:1-2

So says Jehovah, Heaven is My throne, and earth My footstool. Where, then, is the house that you build for Me? And where is the place of My rest? For all those My hand has made, and all those exist, says Jehovah...

Genesis 1:1 serves as an introductory statement defining (1) God's Authorship of the Universe (2) God's Pre-Existence and (3) the historic beginning of Creation. Gen 1:2 describes the initial condition in which the incipient universe was created as the first step of a sequential creative outpouring. Therefore Genesis 1:1 is included within the events of Day 1. The creation of heavens in the sense of skies took place on the second day.

Further references support this understanding:

Exo 20:11

For in

six days

Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore Jehovah blessed the Sabbath day, and sanctified it.

>>>The whole timeline of creation is encompassed in six days.

Isa 45:18

For so says Jehovah the Creator of the heavens, He is God, forming the earth and making it; He makes it stand,

not creating it empty, but forming it to be inhabited

. I Am Jehovah, and there is no other.

>>>The earth was created to be

readily

inhabited.

All these elements support the long held Christian doctrine of Creatio Ex Nihilo (Creation Out of Nothing), meaning: no previous world, no previous matter, space or time, no previous nothing.

In Fellowship. Jorge.

[The Lorax]

The beginning, or the beginning of time app 100 billion years ago. (best estimates are now over 100)

You sure? I think the current consensus is ~14 billion years...

[Floatingaxe]

Genesis should not have been included. Just my opinion

Good thing God made that decision, then!

[Floatingaxe]

Wow! It is just weird that so many waste precious time and words on something that doesn't exist! Evolution is an idea of men that is not factual, but only a strange theory! It itself has evolved into something overblown!

I am personally sick of reading about the fairy-tale.

[Floatingaxe]

Wow! It is just weird that so many waste precious time and words on something that doesn't exist! Evolution is an idea of men that is not factual, but only a strange theory! It itself has evolved into something overblown!

I am personally sick of reading about the fairy-tale.

Even you must recognize and acknowledge the 4 couples that landed on the highest mountaintop, whom the human genetics started with brown skin and black hair. Do you think you or your neighbors look like them now? It's evolution my friend. Now, did we come from monkeys? Do you really care what we looked like on the outside back then? Surely our souls stayed the same and should be the real focus. Don't you think?

Evolution: change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift.

Minor changes in an already created mankind is not the evolution that people are touting. I accept changes from generation to generation...our gene pool has diversity. God created it like that!

[Jorge S]

Sounds like someone's grumpy because scientific consensus disagrees with them.

Don't believe at face value everything you're told regarding evolution. Just because is rendered in technical jargon doesn't make it less of a fairy tale. I've been saying for a while that Genesis is the record of the Creator's Testimony, never intended to change or becoming falsified. Human speculation, on the other hand, is just that: speculation.

See, from recent scientific news, how 'scientific consensus' should not make you bet your eternal salvation on anything less thatn the Word of God.

>>> The same fossil can be dated differently and even tampered with (Haeckel's style!) -if allegations of foul play could be sustained: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/200...u-med032307.php From a public release dated 24 March 2007, University of New York. Time to change the textbooks.

>>> And this is also good: the abstract of a paper published in the January 2007 Bulletin of the Geologic Society of America. http://www.gsajournals.org/perlserv/?reque...1130%2FB25997.1 Previous evidence (ironstone bodies) considered to have been produced during the Archeozoic eon had to be re-dated as pertaining to the Pleistocene (still according to evolutionary timetable.) Connotations: the archean eon is supposed to have occurred 3 800 to 2 500 million years ago -the time of microscopic life- while the Pleistocene is the period starting less than 2 million years ago -the time of the mammals. Quite a difference!!! The authors concluded, "These deposits represent a remarkable iron oxide

[MorningGlory]

Sounds like someone's grumpy because scientific consensus disagrees with them.

Now, I think it's about time I addressed this 'Darwinian myth' thing you've been circulating (I've let it slide up until now because it hasn't really been all that important).

The conclusion that evolution is mindless and undirected is based on the scientific rules and methodology.

There is no evidence to indicate that evolution is directed by anything but natural selection (much less a deity), however, you correctly state that there is no *proof* that it is godless.

Let's ignore the instances of bad design that would lead us to believe that man evolved naturally (because arguments about these things go on and on without getting anywhere).

Let's instead apply the principal of parsimony. We have 2 options:

1. Evolution is natural and did not have man in mind

2. Evolution was directed towards man/evolution created animals and plants but man was specifically designed/all life is designed/any view involving god

Which is simpler? The one that doesn't have to invoke an infinitely complex deity to work.

All of the above much repeated 'scientific' rhetoric goes on endlessly. AtheistReview, you run in circles with this stuff. Cut to the chase and come into the year 2007. DNA pretty much precludes the 'accidental' appearance of man (or anything else). In other words, open your mind a little and read what scientists know about the unbelievably complex DNA 'language'. The bottom line.....unless genetic coding was in place, nothing could have evolved since all living organisms need that code to replicate themselves. Anything coming from nonlife or that much belabored 'pond' is a physical impossibility. See link............

http://www.thetech.org/genetics/news.php?id=31