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[Wingwalker]

Thanks Joe

[Floatingaxe]

LOVE

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Love, Your Brother Joe

Amen, Joe!

Let us go to meet LOVE in His sanctuary, where He will keep us safe and secure in His holiness as we honour Him alone.

[Fiosh]

We have taken this thread way off topic. But since we are already here....

To clarify---I understand you to say that a believer can come to no harm while worshiping in the house of God.

Is that what you are saying, fa? If not, please explain those statements I quoted.

I do believe that if one believes they will come to harm because someone spoke negatively and cursed the use of lights or sound volumes, saying that they could have a seizure or something wild like that, they certainly could come to harm.

So, if I tell you that my friend has epilepsy and could have a seizure as a result of strobe lights, I'm "calling down a curse" on your worship and causing my friend to have a seizure if you use strobe lights?

It doesn't curse our worship, but it certainly leaves your friend wide open to an attack. Why not speak a good confession of faith to her? It's like saying, "I was just working with someone with a cold..I just know I am going to get it!"--That is cursing yourself, and you leave yourself wide open to whatever you have just confessed.

And that is exactly what I contend is anti-Biblical. It is superstition, commonly called "magical thinking".

To posit that making a statement of what you think may happen will actuallly cause it to happen, is , well----silly.

You give the devil waaaaaaaaaaaay too much credit, fa.

Nite, nite.

F

Hardly. Not silly, but true. In fact, it is against superstition.

I know the enemy of God and I know his tactics---subtle...as described above.

You are wrong, fa.

My saying to you that strobes lights may cause my friend to have a seizure, will not cause it to happen.

I am not in control of the universe. God is. If He allows it to happen it will. If He prevents it, it will not. His will be done.

No where in the Bible does it support your statements.

Mark 16 refers to "signs". It does not guarantee that these things will happen to everyone, all the time. There are no accounts of the Apostles purposely drinking poison to show that they are anointed. There is however, church Tradition that shows some disciples were spared death after being forced to drink poison.

You misinterpret Scripture to support what you believe. When you should search Scripture to form belief.

Peace,

F

[Floatingaxe]

We have taken this thread way off topic. But since we are already here....

To clarify---I understand you to say that a believer can come to no harm while worshiping in the house of God.

Is that what you are saying, fa? If not, please explain those statements I quoted.

I do believe that if one believes they will come to harm because someone spoke negatively and cursed the use of lights or sound volumes, saying that they could have a seizure or something wild like that, they certainly could come to harm.

So, if I tell you that my friend has epilepsy and could have a seizure as a result of strobe lights, I'm "calling down a curse" on your worship and causing my friend to have a seizure if you use strobe lights?

It doesn't curse our worship, but it certainly leaves your friend wide open to an attack. Why not speak a good confession of faith to her? It's like saying, "I was just working with someone with a cold..I just know I am going to get it!"--That is cursing yourself, and you leave yourself wide open to whatever you have just confessed.

And that is exactly what I contend is anti-Biblical. It is superstition, commonly called "magical thinking".

To posit that making a statement of what you think may happen will actuallly cause it to happen, is , well----silly.

You give the devil waaaaaaaaaaaay too much credit, fa.

Nite, nite.

F

Hardly. Not silly, but true. In fact, it is against superstition.

I know the enemy of God and I know his tactics---subtle...as described above.

You are wrong, fa.

My saying to you that strobes lights may cause my friend to have a seizure, will not cause it to happen.

I am not in control of the universe. God is. If He allows it to happen it will. If He prevents it, it will not. His will be done.

No where in the Bible does it support your statements.

Mark 16 refers to "signs". It does not guarantee that these things will happen to everyone, all the time. There are no accounts of the Apostles purposely drinking poison to show that they are anointed. There is however, church Tradition that shows some disciples were spared death after being forced to drink poison.

You misinterpret Scripture to support what you believe. When you should search Scripture to form belief.

Peace,

F

I think you misread me. Only a moron would purposely drink poison to commit the sin of tempting God.

I am not misinterpreting scripture. I exercise faith...it pleases God.

[Kabowd]

Ugh..

1. The church is not "the Lord's house"....we are the Lord's house.

2. Entering a church building (or even entering into worship) does not obligate God to offer us any more protection than He does otherwise.

3. Stating that lights can causes seizures is fact (I should know, i HAVE epilepsy)

4. Stating this fact does not become a "curse" on someone.

5. The whole "positive-negative confession" stuff is nothing more than spiritual superstition disguised as "faith". It's absurd and unbiblical, as if our words are more powerful than God and His will.

[Leonard]

Ugh..

1. The church is not "the Lord's house"....we are the Lord's house.

2. Entering a church building (or even entering into worship) does not obligate God to offer us any more protection than He does otherwise.

3. Stating that lights can causes seizures is fact (I should know, i HAVE epilepsy)

4. Stating this fact does not become a "curse" on someone.

5. The whole "positive-negative confession" stuff is nothing more than spiritual superstition disguised as "faith". It's absurd and unbiblical, as if our words are more powerful than God and His will.

An interesting hodge--odge of truth and error. But I think your mind is made up. Re: #5 Far be it from me to stop from arguing yourself into your own limitations.

[Kabowd]

Ugh..

1. The church is not "the Lord's house"....we are the Lord's house.

2. Entering a church building (or even entering into worship) does not obligate God to offer us any more protection than He does otherwise.

3. Stating that lights can causes seizures is fact (I should know, i HAVE epilepsy)

4. Stating this fact does not become a "curse" on someone.

5. The whole "positive-negative confession" stuff is nothing more than spiritual superstition disguised as "faith". It's absurd and unbiblical, as if our words are more powerful than God and His will.

An interesting hodge--odge of truth and error. But I think your mind is made up. Re: #5 Far be it from me to stop from arguing yourself into your own limitations.

Huh?

[apothanein kerdos]

Ugh..

1. The church is not "the Lord's house"....we are the Lord's house.

2. Entering a church building (or even entering into worship) does not obligate God to offer us any more protection than He does otherwise.

3. Stating that lights can causes seizures is fact (I should know, i HAVE epilepsy)

4. Stating this fact does not become a "curse" on someone.

5. The whole "positive-negative confession" stuff is nothing more than spiritual superstition disguised as "faith". It's absurd and unbiblical, as if our words are more powerful than God and His will.

An interesting hodge--odge of truth and error. But I think your mind is made up. Re: #5 Far be it from me to stop from arguing yourself into your own limitations.

I've said for quite a while I'd be a millionaire by now. I'm not. I guess I can't change God's Will.

[Floatingaxe]

Ugh..

1. The church is not "the Lord's house"....we are the Lord's house.

2. Entering a church building (or even entering into worship) does not obligate God to offer us any more protection than He does otherwise.

3. Stating that lights can causes seizures is fact (I should know, i HAVE epilepsy)

4. Stating this fact does not become a "curse" on someone.

5. The whole "positive-negative confession" stuff is nothing more than spiritual superstition disguised as "faith". It's absurd and unbiblical, as if our words are more powerful than God and His will.

1. The sanctuary is a place where God meets His people when they come together--kinda special place!

2. God will bless His people when they come together in His sanctuary...He will be present in praise. He will cover with His protection! Why wouldn't it be a safe secure place where God's presence is?

3. Lights can cause seizures. I am an ex-nurse, and happen to know. Never said they didn't.

4. It isn't a curse. It is a curse when one speaks negatively, trying to force one's view that using lights to glorify God in worship will bring a physical malady. Now THAT is ugh.

5. Positive-negative confession is a very real concept. Luke 6:45...A good person produces good things from the treasury of a good heart, and an evil person produces evil things from the treasury of an evil heart. What you say flows from what is in your heart. The use of the tongue, a powerful weapon that deals life and death is not to be downplayed. It can override God's will.

[Kabowd]

1. The sanctuary is a place where God meets His people when they come together--kinda special place!

Scripture?

2. God will bless His people when they come together in His sanctuary...He will be present in praise. He will cover with His protection! Why wouldn't it be a safe secure place where God's presence is?

Where can we go from God's presence? Scripture?

3. Lights can cause seizures. I am an ex-nurse, and happen to know. Never said they didn't.

Um, you certainly seemed dumbfounded when this was first brought up.

4. It isn't a curse. It is a curse when one speaks negatively, trying to force one's view that using lights to glorify God in worship will bring a physical malady. Now THAT is ugh.

Why? Scripture?

5. Positive-negative confession is a very real concept. Luke 6:45...A good person produces good things from the treasury of a good heart, and an evil person produces evil things from the treasury of an evil heart. What you say flows from what is in your heart.

Oh of course! Name it claim it! *rolls eyes*