Are we commanded to cut our hair or not?

[Guest Biblicist]

insisting hats, wrappers or veils can be "shaven?"

by the way...i noticed I said Cor 15 in a previous post. I meant 11.

Go ahead and laugh at my typo.

OK, you said I could

[OopsMartin]

Further, are you contending that the Bible's exhortation for women is derived purely from human culture?

Paul's is.

13 Judge for yourselves. Is it right for a woman to pray to God in public without covering her head? 14 Isn

[exrockstar]

insisting hats, wrappers or veils can be "shaven?"

by the way...i noticed I said Cor 15 in a previous post. I meant 11.

Go ahead and laugh at my typo.

OK, you said I could

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[Guest Biblicist]

Here's a question. It's OK for some cultures [i.e. religions], today, we accept it as their belief but we completely reject it as ours. Why?

Would it be wrong for a man to believe in cutting his hair in honor of God, or for a woman to grow her hair in honor of her husband? Would it be wrong for a woman to believe that she should cover her head when she prays.

Men still believe that uncovering their head for prayer is the "right thing to do". Why do women reject the opposite? How many people would accept a man in your church wearing his hat during prayer time? And don't try to say "I would accept anyone in my church no matter what they were wearing on their head." I am just saying, it's more respectful for a man to take off his hat inside and especially for prayer, even in a public place out of respect, and people expect that. So why do we have such a hard time believing that it is more respectful for a woman to cover hers during prayer?

OK that is more than one question. . .

[Floatingaxe]

Further, are you contending that the Bible's exhortation for women is derived purely from human culture?

Paul's is.

13 Judge for yourselves. Is it right for a woman to pray to God in public without covering her head? 14 Isn

[OopsMartin]

You mis-cited 1 Cor. 11:16. The verse in its entirety reads, "But if anyone seems to be contentious, we do not have such a custom of being so, neither the churches of God." The verse says that we have no such custom of being contentious, it does not say that we have no such custom of wearing head coverings or religious symbols. Further, are you contending that the Bible's exhortation for women is derived purely from human culture?

No. The subject is NOT about being contentious. The subject is about hair length, covering, customs. Paul is not senile that he changes the subject at his conclusions.

Customs are generally purely cultural. We as Christians who have been released from Sabbaths, religous customs, etc.

Gal. 3:

3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

Gal. 4:

9But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Read Galatians and then tell me if you want to be the child of the bondwoman or children of the free woman. Do you wish to create rules and religious customs with which to bind yourselves or do you wish to be spiritual people who worship God in spirit and in truth.

As Paul said, "judge for yourselves". Make up your own mind for your own life. But do remember that Paul said that the churches have no such (religious) customs, so don't think you can make up other Christians minds for them.

[Guest Biblicist]

This is in my NLT study bible,

Honorable

11:14-15 In talking about head coverings and length of hair, Paul said that believers should look and behave in ways that are honorable in their culture. In many cultures long hair on men is considered appropraite and masculine. In Corinth, long hair was generally worn by male prostitutes in pagan temples, short hair was worn by female prostitutes. Paul didn't necessarily have anything against long or short hair. He was apposed to the message they conveyed in the Corinthiain culture. Today we should still avoid all appearances and behaviour that detract from our ultimate goal of being witnesses for Jesus Christ.

So the question you have to ask yourself. Is the length of your hair detractin grom your ultimate goal of being a witness for Jesus Christ? If it is, change it.

[gypc]

If you are cutting your hair to gain righteousness then the cross of Christ will be made of none effect in your life but if your in a situation that you might be offending people and want to share the gospel, then your motive is fine.

I was at a certain nursing home to be a witness of the Lord and a little old lady walked up to me and said "are you a boy or a girl?"........now she knew I was male but my hair put up a stumbling block so I cut it short. No big deal!! When I was done with that mission I grew it back.

Gal 5:16So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

Are you walking in the fruit of the Spirit? If so, then walk in the Spirit.........if the Lord would have you cut your hair then he will tell you.

I digg my long hair and my wife loves it..........but it's only hair. If your married, ask your wife. She might want you to keep it long for her or she might've wanted you to cut it for sometime.

The point of the scripture here is for us to Choose for ourselves and whatever we choose don't be contentious because no law has been given.

[Openly Curious]

1 Corinthians 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

So if you have long hair, it's ok to remain uncovered in prayer, if you have short hair, cover your head. . . Seems rather simple.

I wonder, why did women stop wearing hats? I don't particularly like hats but I think they make a woman look distinguished. Men too. [baseball caps do not count.]

Her hair is given to her for a covering meaning it covers up her own head else without it she would be bald and you could she her head which is not right. It has nothing to do with veils or hats and what not's. It has to do with God's order as it teaches in the first part of the 11th chapter. A man's head can be uncovered or shaven to where his head is seen because man's head is Christ who is not in this world but still exist but the woman's head is suppose to be hidden and covered with hair as her head is her husband or the man which is seen in this world. It is all about submission to each of our heads as Christ submitted to the Father and man's submits to Christ and the woman submits to the man. When we are living in God's order of things then this will bring answered prayers as God see's our obedience to Him in submission to His will and divine order.

oc

In the eras and cultures of coverings for heads, everyone wore something on their heads. The lands they lived in were hot and dry. Coverings were needed. Even today in Muslim cultures that have not become Westernized, you see men with turban like head coverings. In hot states here you see men wearing cowboy hats or baseball caps, and women in straw hats, etc. Covering the head in hot or cold weather has natural purposes of protection. It's not about religious symbols. As 1 Cor. 11:16 says "we have no such customs in the churches".

We don't need to bind our people in pharisaic religious chains or symbols. We are supposed to have spiritually matured beyond those things.

You mis-cited 1 Cor. 11:16. The verse in its entirety reads, "But if anyone seems to be contentious, we do not have such a custom of being so, neither the churches of God." The verse says that we have no such custom of being contentious, it does not say that we have no such custom of wearing head coverings or religious symbols. Further, are you contending that the Bible's exhortation for women is derived purely from human culture?

I never quoted 1 Cor. 11:16 but was commenting on verse 15 alone. I am not contending anything about human culture but rightly dividing the word as it is written line upon line precept upon precept.

As far as the verse you are citing it does say we have no such custom in the churches the reason being now in the christian church it is suppose to be the woman's hair that is her covering on her head as the veils, mantle and wraps and all of them things are no longer practiced by the church but a woman's hair is used to cover her head.

Man was created a little lower than the angels and woman was taken from man and for this cause a woman ought to have power on her head because of the angels as God's order is being clearly taught throughout the 11th chapter of 1 Corinthians

1 Corinthians 11:10--"FOR THIS CAUSE" ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."

Ephesians 5:31--"FOR THIS CAUSE" shall a man leave his father and mother and shall be joined unto his wife and they two shall be one flesh."

OC

[Floatingaxe]

For this reason, and because the angels are watching, a woman should wear a covering on her head to show she is under authority.

10Therefore she should [be subject to his authority and should] have a covering on her head [as a token, a symbol, of her submission to authority, that she may show reverence as do] the angels [and not displease them].