Original sin

[hupo]

Question I came up against in studying scripture:

First sin is attributed to the first Adam. Where does Eve come into the picture and how did this first sin, filter down to the rest of humanity?

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God actually say, 'You shall not eat of any tree in the garden'?"

Gen 3:2 And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden,

Gen 3:3 but God said, 'You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'"

Gen 3:4 But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die.

Gen 3:5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Gen 3:6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.

We see Eve was doing the "negotiating" while Adam just did what his wife told him.

How did Adam become the originator of the original sin?

Where does Eve come into it?

Why did Eve add neither shall you touch it to God's original warning?

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may surely eat of every tree of the garden,

Gen 2:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat , for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

Why does the rest of humanity need to suffer Adam's (or Eve's) bad (free) choice?

How does this sin become part of every human being since then?

Does this have anything to do with Yeshua being born to a human mother? (God could have been "born" in many ways)

Point to conceder: I just realized that God gave His warning to Adam before Eve was created

God bless

[Natt]

Good Question

Some thoughts I have on it are

that God created woman "Eve" out of a man 'Adam' so she was already the flesh of Adam

Genesis 2:23

The man said,

"This is now bone of my bones

and flesh of my flesh;

she shall be called 'woman, '

for she was taken out of man

Also the bible does state that we all create the sin nature from the father. This is important with the birth of Jesus because he was conceived from the Holy Spirit and born from a Virgin. If the sin nature was passed down from women Jesus would also have the sin nature, which he didn't.

Why do we all suffer because of Adam?

How I view it, is that it is a consequence of sin. I don't know any sinless people (apart from Jesus). Let say you have a tin of white paint and you add some black paint to it. No matter how much you try to make the white paint white again you cannot. There always be some black in it.

So God had a solution, which was to send his son Jesus to pay for our sins.

Praise the Lord

God Bless

[Mutzrein]

It was Eve that was deceived. Adam merely did what his wife told him. BIG mistake.

Has anything changed?

Death came as a result of Adam's sin. He was barred from the Tree of Life. And it is only through Christ (the Tree of Life) that man can have life. There is no other way of course.

[Guest lovinghim4ever]

It was Eve that was deceived. Adam merely did what his wife told him. BIG mistake.

Has anything changed?

Death came as a result of Adam's sin. He was barred from the Tree of Life. And it is only through Christ (the Tree of Life) that man can have life. There is no other way of course.

[RustyAngeL]

It was Eve that was deceived. Adam merely did what his wife told him. BIG mistake.

Has anything changed?

Death came as a result of Adam's sin. He was barred from the Tree of Life. And it is only through Christ (the Tree of Life) that man can have life. There is no other way of course.

Good answer, yes we are all born into sin...Adam and Eve really blew it for us.

[hupo]

Good Question

Some thoughts I have on it are

that God created woman "Eve" out of a man 'Adam' so she was already the flesh of Adam

Genesis 2:23

The man said,

"This is now bone of my bones

and flesh of my flesh;

she shall be called 'woman, '

for she was taken out of man

So you are saying that Man and Woman are the same as far as the original sin is concerned at least?

Yes, it does sound plausable

Also the bible does state that we all create the sin nature from the father. This is important with the birth of Jesus because he was conceived from the Holy Spirit and born from a Virgin. If the sin nature was passed down from women Jesus would also have the sin nature, which he didn't.

Yes, it would make sense for it to be this way. But I have yet to see scripture backing this ...

Why do we all suffer because of Adam?

How I view it, is that it is a consequence of sin. I don't know any sinless people (apart from Jesus). Let say you have a tin of white paint and you add some black paint to it. No matter how much you try to make the white paint white again you cannot. There always be some black in it.

So God had a solution, which was to send his son Jesus to pay for our sins.

Praise the Lord

God Bless

So once we are saved, are our children saved too? No, of course not. Why would sin pass down through inheritence and salvation doesn't?

After all it took one Adam to get the sin rolling down the ages. Why doesn't salvation work that way too? I mean, I know it doesn't but I am looking for scripture on it.

Blessings

[hupo]

Death came as a result of Adam's sin. He was barred from the Tree of Life. And it is only through Christ (the Tree of Life) that man can have life. There is no other way of course.

Still, if it took one man to cause sin to run right down through all generations. Why isn't it that one Man (Yeshua) gives Salvation through inheritence too?

[hupo]

Death reigns to us as punishment from the original sin and therefore is inherited because death came into the world by one man's sin and so we are born into death, only to be made alive by the blood of one man, Christ Jesus.

The original sin is inherited, as you seem to be saying.

Why isn't salvation inherited?

They both come from one man.... First and Last Adam

Blessings

[OopsMartin]

Question I came up against in studying scripture:

First sin is attributed to the first Adam. Where does Eve come into the picture and how did this first sin, filter down to the rest of humanity?

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God actually say, 'You shall not eat of any tree in the garden'?"

Gen 3:2 And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden,

Gen 3:3 but God said, 'You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'"

Gen 3:4 But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die.

Gen 3:5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Gen 3:6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.

We see Eve was doing the "negotiating" while Adam just did what his wife told him.

How did Adam become the originator of the original sin?

Where does Eve come into it?

Why did Eve add neither shall you touch it to God's original warning?

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may surely eat of every tree of the garden,

Gen 2:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat , for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

Why does the rest of humanity need to suffer Adam's (or Eve's) bad (free) choice?

How does this sin become part of every human being since then?

Does this have anything to do with Yeshua being born to a human mother? (God could have been "born" in many ways)

Point to conceder: I just realized that God gave His warning to Adam before Eve was created

God bless

My thoughts quickly and then I will check back later.

Both the man and the woman were pure and naive, not knowing the difference between good and evil. Both the man and the woman sinned. They sinned differently and not simultaneously. The woman was deceived because she was the one engaged in conversation with the cleverest of all creatures. The man was not coerced or deceived by anyone, but just decided to do it. He simply took what was offered. The woman was the first to sin, and the man was the last to sin. At that time humanity only consisted of two people, the man and the woman. When the man also sinned he ushered sin into the whole human race. He closed the deal. And because he closed the deal, all of humanity was ushered out of the garden of Eden, forever barred from entering again. From that point on life for humanity was forever changed.

[Mutzrein]

Hupo - Mankind was barred from the tree of life. This was the result of Adam's sin. There is nothing that man could have done to stop this inheritence (of death).

All of mankind is born WITHOUT eternal life and there is only one who has enabled man to have this life. Christ.

But this enabling is not inherited. It is the gift of God. He gives life to those whom He chooses. As John tells us we are 'children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.'