Do false teachers know they are false teachers?

[angels4u]

Thank you all for your insight, Wayne you said wise words when you mentioned:

So does motive mean anything? I believe those with pure motive will have submitted themselves to Christ and rely on the insight given them by the Holy Spirit. Will they be 100% right all the time? No but they will have the essential elements of Christianity down.

Thank you all,Angels

[BlindSeeker]

Some false teachers are mere showmen deceiving intentionally for gain . . . others are truly deceived . . . .

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith [or the Truth], giving heed to seducing spirits, and [thus believing] doctrines of devils.

2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them.

[His son]

My ancesters came to Salt Lake with Brigham Young, and my family knew that I was a total criminal worthy of the death penalty, and though they witnessed the change in my life after I met Jesus Christ personally, they still grieved that I was lost because I am a true believer, and don't believe in mormonism anymore. They are brained washed in that religion, and most of them don't know a whole lot of what some of the leaders have done in the name of mormonism. They are very difficult to convert. I have only one brother who like me came out, and he came out through his wife whom he married after he came back from the Korean war. Do the best you can by sowing the seeds of the true gospel and leave it up to The Holy Spirit. Mormonism is definitely a cult. They don't know they are deceived they think we are. But bottom line for all of us we are responsible for what we believe, after we reach the age of accountability, which is known for each of us only by God.

[Guest charlie]

I think some false teachers know what they're doing but I think most of them don't know they're teaching false doctrine. We have to be careful when we study, that we don't subconsciously "read into the Bible" flase teachings that we've been indoctrinated with. (Of course we don't know they're false that's why there's a need for caution.) For example, I always thought "Thou shalt not lie" was one of the 10 commandments. I was taught that it was and as many times as I've read the Bible I didn't "catch" that it isn't one of the ten commandments until last fall. Also I know Bible literalists refer to the JWs as a cult because they don't believe in a triune God. Yet, a three in one triune God is not literally, in the Bible.

If fruits are an indication of the heart than I have to be honest and say I've never met a Mormon that I didn't like.

[Ovedya]

Of course. Mormons are "good people." Just as Budhists are good people. Just as Hindis are good people. Just as secular humanists are good people, and atheists, and Wiccans, etc. etc.

[WayneB]

I think some false teachers know what they're doing but I think most of them don't know they're teaching false doctrine.  We have to be careful  when we study, that we don't subconsciously "read into the Bible" flase teachings that we've been indoctrinated with. (Of course we don't know they're false that's why there's a need for caution.)  For example, I always thought "Thou shalt not lie" was one of the 10 commandments.  I was taught that it was and as many times as I've read the Bible I didn't "catch" that it isn't one of the ten commandments until last fall.  Also I know Bible literalists  refer to the JWs as a cult because they don't believe in a triune God.  Yet, a three in one triune God is not literally, in the Bible. 

If fruits are an indication of the heart than I have to be honest and say I've never met a Mormon  that I didn't like.

Charlie,

I have read a bunch of your posts today ---- You are ALL over the place, full of opinion but not full of very much knowledge.

Regarding this specific post, please permit me to correct a few of your misconceptions.

"Honor your father and your mother

[Guest charlie]

<<Charlie, me think that you have not read the Word as many times as you imply.>>

I'm visiting today but don't worry, I'm just visiting I don't plan on staying around too long this time. There are other boards. I do give my opinions but don't like long cut-n-pastes. I figure most people here have read the Bible quite extensively so they should know what I'm referring to when I'm posting.

I've read the Bible several times. I believe in triune as in there's The Father, The Son Jesus, and The Holy Spirit. They are there in Genesis sort of "talking among themselves" as I take it. However, they are separate, not one, separate. The ONE in three persons doctrine didn't come about until well over 300 years into Christianity. Do some research and you'll see that this is true. Besides, Jesus is sitting at the right hand of the Father. If that doesn't make it clear I don't know what would.

Still, thou shalt not lie IS NOT one of the official ten commandments. I think lying is a sin and it is mentioned in other parts of the Bible. But, literally speaking it is NOT listed as one of the ten. You attempted to work it into the others but the words "thou shalt not lie" wasn't there, was it? Why do you want to add it there, if it's not listed as such. False testimony refers to giving false information like in a court case. I was only trying to make the point that we take some thoughts that we have about the Bible for granted, even if they're not entirely accurate.

Sounds like you just don't like my opinions. I bet they're different from yours. I suspect that's what this entire post is really about. That's why you slurred me with the comment at the beginning of this post.

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[Guest shadow2b]

-Wayne--you big bully you--pickin on po liLL ole charlie thet away--tsk.tsk.tsk.--shayme--shayme--

-shayme..I'm jess sooooo up-setted-o-mee-o-my-o-my-grrrrr--I think i'll jes kill yo comp-utermebby-yuu meen-ole-thayng-yu--grrrrr--err mebby GOD HIS-SELF mite jes reech ouyt & grabbs yanyyy-nyy-nyyyynyyyy-nyy

[WayneB]

Well Charlie, that was probably one of your better posts. I don

[WayneB]

-Wayne--you big bully you--pickin on po liLL ole charlie thet away--tsk.tsk.tsk.--shayme--shayme--

-shayme..I'm jess sooooo up-setted-o-mee-o-my-o-my-grrrrr--I think i'll jes kill yo comp-utermebby-yuu meen-ole-thayng-yu--grrrrr--err mebby GOD HIS-SELF mite jes reech ouyt & grabbs yanyyy-nyy-nyyyynyyyy-nyy

Charlie,

Believe it or not friend, this fella who calls himself shadow2B is one of those "insightful and knowledgable" saints of God I spoke of.

NO KIDDING!

Don't allow his Texas draw and humility to trick you into underestimating him. You may go cross-eyed reading his stuff though... :oww:

Gary, I love you brother and thank you!

Blessings,

Wayne