23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese

[mikerunk]

I wanted to stop in and recommend this book, it's called 23 minutes in hell. It was writen by a guy named Bill Wiese. In the book christ took him to hell, and removed the knowledge of god and that he was a christan from his mind. This man expirenced hell for 23 minutes and goes in and tells you what he saw and felt and the whole nine yards. He explains why christ took him there.

If you are a non believer then I beg you to read this book, go out and buy a copy of it. The one thing he makes a point of bring up or making you ask your self is are you willing to bet your soul on the idea that there is no god, or that christ is not real. Cause if your wrong (and you are) and you die your going to be in a really bad place were there is no escape from. You will be there for all of eternity. So I beg you to read this book.

If you have been saved then you to should read this novel, for two reason. The first is to remove any misconceptions you have of hell. The second is so that you can maybe pass this information off to others, give them this book and let others who have not been saved read it. I plan on giving it to my friend and roomate cause he says hes going to hell all the time, I used to joke around about it all the time, its not funny any more, for o so many reason.

Please every one pick this book up and read it. Maybe it will change your life and maybe it won't, only you can decided that. However I just want every one of you to hear the truth. I want every one to know so they don't end up in hell, cause it will be for eternity and it will be more awful then you can possably imagin.

I can only say that I thank Christ for giving his life to spare mine, so that I don't have to go there.

[forrestkc]

There is an excerpt from the book on Beliefnet. You can read it here: http://www.beliefnet.com/story/188/story_18811_1.html

It basically talks about the authors first experiences in hell. Now, after reading it, I think that most psychologists would attribute the author's experience to a psychotic episode. Possibly a severe form of acute Schizophrenia or Schizophreniform disorder. Basically, many times hallucinations are based in religious beliefs. They can involve all senses (sight, hearing, touch, smell, taste and so on), and many times the person who experienced them believes that there was a meaning behind their experience, usually based in their religious beliefs.

Hallucination = I went to hell and experienced all the torments of it.

Delusion = I went to hell and experienced those torments because I was chosen by God to experience them and share my experience with others.

Delusions in combination with hallucinations = some form of Schizophrenia.

[songbird24]

Thank you for recommending this book

There are doctors who have been operating on patients, the patient's heart stops. The doctors work hard to get the heart going again. The patient is back, the patient screams something like don't let me go back there. I have heard of doctors who have had patients who have experienced death on the table and DO NOT believe the patient has hallucinated, but rather they now have a belief in hell and do not want to go there themselves. They also have had had patients who have experienced heaven. Because they have seen this some doctors turn to Jesus because they want to go to heaven when they die.

Those who want to call these out of body experiences, or deaths as hallucinations just want to try and prove there is no heaven or hell or God even. It never ceases to surprise me that many athiests that face a death situation, their plane is going down or such, all of a sudden call on God. Everyone in their heart knows there is a God, but not all will admit it.

Edited July 8, 2007 by songbird24

[mikerunk]

There is an excerpt from the book on Beliefnet. You can read it here: http://www.beliefnet.com/story/188/story_18811_1.html

It basically talks about the authors first experiences in hell. Now, after reading it, I think that most psychologists would attribute the author's experience to a psychotic episode. Possibly a severe form of acute Schizophrenia or Schizophreniform disorder. Basically, many times hallucinations take are based in religious beliefs. They can involve all senses (sight, hearing, touch, smell, taste and so on), and many times the person who experienced them believes that there was a meaning behind their experience, usually based in their religious beliefs.

Hallucination = I went to hell and experienced all the torments of it.

Delusion = I went to hell and experienced those torments because I was chosen by God to experience them and share my experience with others.

Delusions in combination with hallucinations = some form of Schizophrenia.

While I understand were your coming from forrestkc there is some flaw in your logic. The first and biggest one is that this guy had no mental illness of any kind before or even after said event. He only had the experince twice. The first time was for 23 minutes the second time was only for a few seconds, and he asked for god to show him again, afterwards he asked god never to show him ever again.

Now Schizophrenia doesn't work like that, Hallucinations don't work like that, Delusions don't work like that. If he experinced these things because of a mental breakdown then there would have been more two it then just that, it would have continued on in some form or fashion. There other factors that your not taking in to account, the first being all the connections he has made sense with people have have seen the samething he has. The other is that there is a hell, its in the bible.

Now let say for right now that none of what he expirence was real, that it was all in his head or he made it up one or the other. The fact is that he describes hell the same way that the bible does but takes it to the next level. Now if all that is drawn from the bible with him filling in the gaps if you will then how much worse will hell actually be. Cause I can tell you that if he used his own imagination to fill in details then it will be 1,0000 times worse then he described it, because human mind can't even grasp how awful it will be.

Now lets say he's telling the truth (which one I think he is, and two you don't know that it really did happen as he said it did) yet even as he explains every thing he saw and felt, smelled it almost seemed as if he was trying to find the right words to really describe it, that it was really hard to in cap it in to words how bad it really once. He explained it the best way he could. Yet his description of hell is truely frighting, and if he underscored it because he can't ever truely convy what he saw and felt and heard, then that means hell will be so much worse.

I can only say please read the book, and make up your mind for your self. There is no harm in just reading. I hope that any one who actually reads it will walk away changed or at least more informed then they were before, or both. If it helps others turn there life over to christ then even better.

[sweetycakes]

For those of you who can't be bothered to buy or read the book, you can listen to Bill Wiese's testimony or watch his video below:

http://www.spiritlessons.com/

[Marnie]

We had a discussion on the Boards last year about a similar incident, only in that case it was a guy who spent a few minutes in heaven. I didn't buy that and I don't buy this. I'm not saying this man didn't experience something, but everything we need to know about hell or heaven, for that matter, is spelled out for us in the Word. Hell doesn't have a revolving door or a guest pass. Is G-d's plain, revealed truth not enough?

[sweetycakes]

Although I posted the link, I can't vouch for the authenticity of such claims. I haven't watched or listened to them myself.

Too scared to

[7thseal]

Is G-d's plain, revealed truth not enough?

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Hell is real and I believe God wants all to know it without a doubt. Even if someone is allowed to experience it so that they share with many who dont believe. God's love for us is far greater than our minds are capable of understanding.

I did watch the video and I believe him....he's pointing others to Jesus Christ, doesn't make sense to me that he would lie in order to do that.

Toward the end of the video he said something that broke my heart, I personally knew what he was speaking about. He said that Jesus allowed him to experience just a part of His love. He said he could feel Jesus pain as many were falling into hell. I've shared it here before that I've experienced that type of sorrow and it never leaves me, but causes me to share the truth with others. Sin causes love to experience pain. God is love, why does he hate our sin? Because he loves us and it breaks His heart when we choose sin over Him.....yes even His own children (myself included) at times choose sin over Him.

In the end sin will be removed along with those who love it more than God, only love will be left for us to experience....God is love.

[Giaour]

We had a discussion on the Boards last year about a similar incident, only in that case it was a guy who spent a few minutes in heaven. I didn't buy that and I don't buy this. I'm not saying this man didn't experience something, but everything we need to know about hell or heaven, for that matter, is spelled out for us in the Word. Hell doesn't have a revolving door or a guest pass. Is G-d's plain, revealed truth not enough?

http://www.worthyboards.com/index.php?show...c=56720&hl=

[forrestkc]

While I understand were your coming from forrestkc there is some flaw in your logic. The first and biggest one is that this guy had no mental illness of any kind before or even after said event. He only had the experince twice. The first time was for 23 minutes the second time was only for a few seconds, and he asked for god to show him again, afterwards he asked god never to show him ever again.

Now Schizophrenia doesn't work like that, Hallucinations don't work like that, Delusions don't work like that. If he experinced these things because of a mental breakdown then there would have been more two it then just that, it would have continued on in some form or fashion. There other factors that your not taking in to account, the first being all the connections he has made sense with people have have seen the samething he has. The other is that there is a hell, its in the bible.

Now let say for right now that none of what he expirence was real, that it was all in his head or he made it up one or the other. The fact is that he describes hell the same way that the bible does but takes it to the next level. Now if all that is drawn from the bible with him filling in the gaps if you will then how much worse will hell actually be. Cause I can tell you that if he used his own imagination to fill in details then it will be 1,0000 times worse then he described it, because human mind can't even grasp how awful it will be.

Now lets say he's telling the truth (which one I think he is, and two you don't know that it really did happen as he said it did) yet even as he explains every thing he saw and felt, smelled it almost seemed as if he was trying to find the right words to really describe it, that it was really hard to in cap it in to words how bad it really once. He explained it the best way he could. Yet his description of hell is truely frighting, and if he underscored it because he can't ever truely convy what he saw and felt and heard, then that means hell will be so much worse.

I can only say please read the book, and make up your mind for your self. There is no harm in just reading. I hope that any one who actually reads it will walk away changed or at least more informed then they were before, or both. If it helps others turn there life over to christ then even better.

You can have no prior history of mental illness, have a couple of psychotic episodes, and go the rest of your life without having another one. That is very symptomatic of acute schizophrenia.

Moreover, hallucinations often deal with the individuals religious beliefs, and they can be so surreal that one cannot fully comprehend or express their experiences later.