Tolerating Gays

[ritchiedotson]

I also believe that if the old testimate laws are not found in the new testimate that they do not apply to us today.

This part of your post caught my eye for some reason.....

Yeshua said He didn't come to do away with the Law but to fulfill it.

When we are saved we are free from the Law.

This does not mean that we can now kill, steal and conduct an adultrous life.

It means we are not under the death penelty for sin.

We all sin and yet have eternal life through being redeemed by the amazing sacrifice of Yeshua's life.

The law applies to anyone who is under the law, that is, anyone who is NOT saved.

IMHO

Blessings

I believe many laws were done away with. We each understand the bible differently. From my reading and studying the bible I come to believe that homosexuality is not a sin. I know allot of people dont agree and I have no problem with that.

I dont know whay people keep telling me THIS IS THE WAY IT IS. and they tell me how it is. Why must we debate. Now I agree with dialogue. Dialogue is stating what you believe or what you believe scripture to say. Debate is saying THIS IS THE WAY IT IS and it ARGUES instead of SHARES... I hope that makes sence.

[hupo]

I also believe that if the old testimate laws are not found in the new testimate that they do not apply to us today.

This part of your post caught my eye for some reason.....

Yeshua said He didn't come to do away with the Law but to fulfill it.

When we are saved we are free from the Law.

This does not mean that we can now kill, steal and conduct an adulterous life.

It means we are not under the death penalty for sin.

We all sin and yet have eternal life through being redeemed by the amazing sacrifice of Yeshua's life.

The law applies to anyone who is under the law, that is, anyone who is NOT saved.

IMHO

Blessings

I believe many laws were done away with. We each understand the bible differently. From my reading and studying the bible I come to believe that homosexuality is not a sin. I know allot of people dont agree and I have no problem with that.

I dont know whay people keep telling me THIS IS THE WAY IT IS. and they tell me how it is. Why must we debate. Now I agree with dialogue. Dialogue is stating what you believe or what you believe scripture to say. Debate is saying THIS IS THE WAY IT IS and it ARGUES instead of SHARES... I hope that makes sence.

Yes I absolutely agree with you: We should be sharing and discussing, NOT arguing.

The whole topic of homosexuality is not clear for me and so I am now studying it through various resources.

I agree that we each understand the bible differently. The way I understand it, there is ONE TRUTH, which I am not clear about at many points. That is why I find the need to discuss and study. I find this discussion here, for instance, very educating, whether I agree or not with opinions expressed here.

I have studied with Chabad (Orthodox Jews) and with Jehovah's witnesses and find it only strengthens the way I see Truth.

On this note I must thank you for being here at all. It takes courage to be open about controversial issues.

I think that now we can agree or disagree in a peaceful manner, no?

Blessings

[ritchiedotson]

I also believe that if the old testimate laws are not found in the new testimate that they do not apply to us today.

This part of your post caught my eye for some reason.....

Yeshua said He didn't come to do away with the Law but to fulfill it.

When we are saved we are free from the Law.

This does not mean that we can now kill, steal and conduct an adulterous life.

It means we are not under the death penalty for sin.

We all sin and yet have eternal life through being redeemed by the amazing sacrifice of Yeshua's life.

The law applies to anyone who is under the law, that is, anyone who is NOT saved.

IMHO

Blessings

I believe many laws were done away with. We each understand the bible differently. From my reading and studying the bible I come to believe that homosexuality is not a sin. I know allot of people dont agree and I have no problem with that.

I dont know whay people keep telling me THIS IS THE WAY IT IS. and they tell me how it is. Why must we debate. Now I agree with dialogue. Dialogue is stating what you believe or what you believe scripture to say. Debate is saying THIS IS THE WAY IT IS and it ARGUES instead of SHARES... I hope that makes sence.

Yes I absolutely agree with you: We should be sharing and discussing, NOT arguing.

The whole topic of homosexuality is not clear for me and so I am now studying it through various resources.

I agree that we each understand the bible differently. The way I understand it, there is ONE TRUTH, which I am not clear about at many points. That is why I find the need to discuss and study. I find this discussion here, for instance, very educating, whether I agree or not with opinions expressed here.

I have studied with Chabad (Orthodox Jews) and with Jehovah's witnesses and find it only strengthens the way I see Truth.

On this note I must thank you for being here at all. It takes courage to be open about controversial issues.

I think that now we can agree or disagree in a peaceful manner, no?

Blessings

I agree with your statment. Even though we may not agree on issues. I thank you for your honisty. and for saying what you believe in a honest and careing and a Non-Harsh way. I believe this verse tells us christians to come together despite our differences and NOT argue. ROMANS 14:1-12

[ayin jade]

We each understand the bible differently. From my reading and studying the bible I come to believe that homosexuality is not a sin. I know allot of people dont agree and I have no problem with that.

The important question is how does God expect us to understand the bible? What is the truth when we differ in understanding?

I believe this verse tells us christians to come together despite our differences and NOT argue. ROMANS 14:1-12

We are not to argue on disputable things. Things that are not important overall. What is and isnt sin is important. I dont want to argue either, but some issues are important enough to discuss.

[ritchiedotson]

We each understand the bible differently. From my reading and studying the bible I come to believe that homosexuality is not a sin. I know allot of people dont agree and I have no problem with that.

The important question is how does God expect us to understand the bible? What is the truth when we differ in understanding?

I believe this verse tells us christians to come together despite our differences and NOT argue. ROMANS 14:1-12

We are not to argue on disputable things. Things that are not important overall. What is and isnt sin is important. I dont want to argue either, but some issues are important enough to discuss.

I see nothing wrong with dicussing. But its when people use anger. and when people seem to tell others the way they view scripture is wrong. Thats what I dont understand. I believe that God does not condemn a same sex couple if they are in a loveing, careing, monogamous, lifetime comitmedded relationship. What is so evil about two people careing for eachother and saying. Hey I am not gonna run out and fornicate with every one i see. Isent the law summed up as loveing God and Others. How is being in a loveing committed relation ship, not loving God and others. If some one believes the God does not condemn the comitted relation ship between same sex couples and there view comes from their study of scripture. Then why should the drop their beliefs and go with what others tell them to believe.

[ayin jade]

It comes down to what the Lord wants, not what anyone wants scripture to say. The bible makes it abundantly clear, even from the second chapter of Genesis when God sets the pattern of one man and one woman, homosexuality is a sin.

[followerofjesus]

Let Gods words be true and every man a liar.

[ritchiedotson]

I dont think I will post here any more. I believe the bible reveals gods word. I believe the bible does not condemn all forms of same sex behaivor. Thats what I have to live by. I am gonna find a some message board where people are able to believe what they believe scripture to tell them with out people telling them they are not listening to what God wants. I believe you have to look at the bible as a whole. and not point out one or two pieces of scripture.

[artsylady]

"I believe that God does not condemn a same sex couple if they are in a loveing, careing, monogamous, lifetime comitmedded relationship"

God certainly does condemn some adult relationships that may be loving, caring, monogamous and committed. Certainly an adult brother and sister relationship I'm sure you'll agree. Just because a relationship may be between 2 adults and contain all of the adjectives listed, does not mean God approves by any means. The adjectives listed sound very nice but we aren't here to please ourselves and find happiness in others. We're here to obey and honor God. If he said something is wrong and we decide to override that and call it good, then we are in serious error.

Did you have a chance to read the thread on the born gay studies? I bumped it up for you.

[Guest Biblicist]

I was just wondering about Christians opinions on Gays.

If two Gays ran a shop should we patronise it?

How should we talk to Gays?

When I first read the title I thought it said, "Tolerating Guys"

I treat Gay people the same way I treat everyone.