Tolerating Gays

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Datan, homosexuality is wrong, plain and simple. We should be based on freedom, not immorality.

That being said, we should not hate homosexuals. You can love a liar and hate the lie. You can love a murderer and hate the murder. You can love a homosexual and hate the homosexuality. They are lost sinners just like you, me and everyone else, why so many Christians seem to especially despise homosexuality over other sins is beyond me.

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you, KeilanS. I don't think homosexuality is wrong in the least; my heart aches when it's said that the way these people are, the way they're born, mind you, is wrong.

I was born half Mongolian, half Irish, and I look different. So does they way I was born say that people will hate my race (not me so much, but hate my half-breed face) because I'm different.

I don't disagree with what you went on to say about why some Christians weigh homosexuality over other sins. I'm sure their own sins are just as heavy if God really does see this sort of love as ... not right; I'm positive He must be angry with those certain people who judge. We aren't supposed to, after all.

A sin nature is our default nature. The particular sins in question to which we are drawn are dependant on a number of circumstances. In this way, and in this way only is somebody "born gay". It isn't the same thing as being born half-mongolian, or black, or white. The temptation to sin exists. We are born with the temptation to sin. That doesn't mean it isn't sin.

Everything you've said in your post regarding homosexuality is wrong in accordance with Scripture. Scripture tells us that homosexuality is a sin... it also tells us that we are born in sin. It never says sin is okay.

[KeilanS]

Datan, as a teenage male, I can feel a lot of lust at times. And desires to view porn and similar thigns. I fully believe that I was born with these urges, but they are still wrong.

How do you square your viewpoints with the bible quite plainly saying that homosexuality is wrong?

[Datan]

I think the talk to them like "people" was to make the exact point your making, you talk to them just like anybody else, period!

You can consider it closed minded if you want, for those who do not believe they should be allowed to marry, but your also doing against your (Catholic) church by doing so. As for why the pilgrims came here, yes for religious freedom, and the moment there was no "secular" government they made everything a sin, wearing colorful cloths, smiling & laughing on Sunday............the list is endless. Because that is what man does with God's laws, not what God does with it.

I also dislike these type of threads, as far as I'm concerned their sin is exactly the same as my sin, there is no difference in God's eyes.

Yeah, that was precisely what I meant. I think it's wrong to segregate people based on their preferences -- I just don't see why it's wrong.

[nod.]

I see what you're saying. But I don't necessarily agree with everything my church has said or done. I mean, c'mon, the whole molestation issue; my church is far from perfect.

Although the circumstances are different today, I'm just saying that people came here for freedom. And it just gets my feathers ruffled when the government brings their own religious ideas into the a "non-discriminatory" administration.

[Him_Crucified330]

what you have to know is that someone who isn't saved is a SLAVE to sin. They have no choice but to obey it ultimately because they do not have the saving power of Jesus Christ. Christians however absolutely do have the choice and the power not to obey our sinful nature, because we do not walk according to the flesh but according to the spirit (Romans 8). If you are trying to reach a gay person by telling them their gay ways are disgusting and wrong and sinful, their just going to walk away before you can finish your sentance. If we focus on showing them the love of Jesus, and showing them a different way to live, only then will they have the power and ability to throw away their sins. I dont believe patronizing gays will have any benefit. My Uncle is gay, so I have alot of experience in this area, as you can imagine...

[Treasure]

Yeah, that was precisely what I meant. I think it's wrong to segregate people based on their preferences -- I just don't see why it's wrong.

1 Cor 6:13

Food is for the stomach and the stomach is for food but God will do away with both of them. Yet the body is not for immorailty but for the Lord and the Lord is for the body.

1 Cor. 6:18

Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body but the immoral man sins against his own body.

illicit sexual intercourse

1. adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
   

In both Scriptures immorality means homosexuality.

references from www.searchgodsword.org

[Datan]

Datan, as a teenage male, I can feel a lot of lust at times. And desires to view porn and similar thigns. I fully believe that I was born with these urges, but they are still wrong.

How do you square your viewpoints with the bible quite plainly saying that homosexuality is wrong?

I'm little over being a teeanger myself, Keilan, so I know there's pressure to have sex and be 'cool.' Whatever. And it's human nature to feel those thing, of course; avoiding to do those things is of everyone's own conviction.

However, I will not move in my belief. So what if a man loves another man? Why, why, why is that so terrible? Can you explain that to me?

...

I can't square anything, for I have not read the bible enough to say whether I'm right or wrong. But even if it does say that, why is love so bad? I'll never be able to understand that part. Why love is to be scorned ...

[Datan]

Okay, you know what? I'm going to try to reason with you guys as to why I don't agree.

God molds us to be whom we are. I am whom I am through the life that God has made for me. All of you are whom you are because God has chosen that life for you. So how can you sit there and say, "It's wrong; these people are sinners -- they like to love the same sex!" "Ew, how disgusting ... another man for another man! A woman for a woman! The outrage!"

/mob

/witch hunt

Homosexuals are just like you and me, for they are kin! Many of you have relatives that are gay, and you feel that you must save them by telling them to stop being the person that they are -- the person that God made them?

I'm not saying that homosexuality is for everyone, but for those who are, why can't we support and love them?

[Guest anonymousmrx]

hate the sin, not the sinner...

Why do we only use this saying when refering to homosexuals? Why is never used when referring to the soccer coach who is sinning with his abusive language? Or your kids when he comes home an hour after curfew? Or your Dad when he gets drunk again? Just them gays.

Hate all sin, love ALL sinners. We love sinners anyway, your wife/husband, kids, mom/dad, ect. It isn't like all non-gay sin is level one (one being kind of bad) and all gay sin is level 57 (57 being superbad, really awful, not okay).

[Marnie]

Datan, homosexuality is wrong, plain and simple. We should be based on freedom, not immorality.

That being said, we should not hate homosexuals. You can love a liar and hate the lie. You can love a murderer and hate the murder. You can love a homosexual and hate the homosexuality. They are lost sinners just like you, me and everyone else, why so many Christians seem to especially despise homosexuality over other sins is beyond me.

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you, KeilanS. I don't think homosexuality is wrong in the least; my heart aches when it's said that the way these people are, the way they're born, mind you, is wrong.

I was born half Mongolian, half Irish, and I look different. So does they way I was born say that people will hate my race (not me so much, but hate my half-breed face) because I'm different.

I don't disagree with what you went on to say about why some Christians weigh homosexuality over other sins. I'm sure their own sins are just as heavy if God really does see this sort of love as ... not right; I'm positive He must be angry with those certain people who judge. We aren't supposed to, after all.

There is a difference between born with certain features and living in sin.

[chrisb]

Homosexuality is wrong. It is against God's wishes for us. It isn't natural, and I don't believe people are 'born that way'.

There is no such thing as 'gay marriage'. Marriage is a bond between a man and a woman.

God's Word is very clear on both issues.

As to how gays should be treated, they should be treated like any other lost soul. They are human beings like everyone else with sin they need God's help to overcome.