The Seven Year Tribulation....Is it Biblical?

[Guest shiloh357]

shiloh, why would the messiah sit in the temple and have sacrifices going on? He is the sacrafice,

the sacrifices in the millennial temple will be memorials looking back at the cross. their purpose, in part, is to memorialize what was done on the cross. Also, the sin offering mentioned in Hebrews 10 will not be done in that temple. It is missing from the list of sacrifices in Ezekiel 40-48. He is the sin offering and there will be more sin offering as described in Heb. 10, but there will be sacrifices in the millennium.

During the millennium, Torah observance will be in full swing.

[Massorite]

Perhaps we could review all the scriptures everyone feels addresses the 7 year tribulation. I think it would be helpful to get each other's input on each verse.

BlindSeeker here is how I live. "If the bible doesn't say it clearly then it is not" So if the bible doesn't specifically say that there will be seven years of tribulation then there will not be seven years of tribulation for any body saved or unsaved.

If the bible doesn't specifically say that the "Restrainer" is the church or the Holy Spirit or Jesus or some other entity. Then to assume that the Restrainer is any of these is exactly what it is. An assumption with no real biblical bases. If the bible doesn't specifically say that the 144,000 are going to travel around the world re-evangelizing a new body of Christ after the resurrection then they will not be doing any evangelizing any where in the world except in Israel.

And lastly if the Bible doesn't specifically say that there is going to be a per-tribulation resurrection then those Christians who will endure great tribulation at the hands of the antichrist are going to be those believers in Christ who are alive and kicking to day.

[BlindSeeker]

Perhaps we could review all the scriptures everyone feels addresses the 7 year tribulation. I think it would be helpful to get each other's input on each verse.

BlindSeeker here is how I live. "If the bible doesn't say it clearly then it is not" So if the bible doesn't specifically say that there will be seven years of tribulation then there will not be seven years of tribulation for any body saved or unsaved.

If the bible doesn't specifically say that the "Restrainer" is the church or the Holy Spirit or Jesus or some other entity. Then to assume that the Restrainer is any of these is exactly what it is. An assumption with no real biblical bases. If the bible doesn't specifically say that the 144,000 are going to travel around the world re-evangelizing a new body of Christ after the resurrection then they will not be doing any evangelizing any where in the world except in Israel.

And lastly if the Bible doesn't specifically say that there is going to be a per-tribulation resurrection then those Christians who will endure great tribulation at the hands of the antichrist are going to be those believers in Christ who are alive and kicking to day.

Thanks Massorite for your reply.

I understand your position and the length of your refutation of the theology is simply, ""If the bible doesn't say it clearly then it is not." The bible also does not mention potatoes and there are actually some people out there who will not eat them because they are not biblical. Like the bible says, let each be fully persuaded within themselves.

I am however interested in those who do feel the scriptures addresses the theology. That is why I asked, "Perhaps we could review all the scriptures everyone feels addresses the 7 year tribulation." Such a discussion will help to enlighten everyone to what appears to be a scriptural foundation for this theology. At that point, with open discussion of the verses all could benefit . . . if in nothing else, a respectful understanding of why another brother or sister believes the way they do.

Understanding why someone believes the way they do will accomplish at least one of three things -

1. Allow one's self to see were they are wrong so they can embrace the truth

2. Allow one to see where another is wrong so as to help the other see the inaccuracy of their conclusion

3. Bring the participants to the conclusion that the subject is not clear and neither can say absolutely "this" or "that" is the truth.

I still would encourage a submission of those parts of scripture people feel addresses the seven year tribulation for the purpose of open discussion . . . the verses have to mean something . . .

[BlindSeeker]

shiloh, why would the messiah sit in the temple and have sacrifices going on? He is the sacrafice,

the sacrifices in the millennial temple will be memorials looking back at the cross. their purpose, in part, is to memorialize what was done on the cross. Also, the sin offering mentioned in Hebrews 10 will not be done in that temple. It is missing from the list of sacrifices in Ezekiel 40-48. He is the sin offering and there will be more sin offering as described in Heb. 10, but there will be sacrifices in the millennium.

What kind of sacrifices? Animals?

During the millennium, Torah observance will be in full swing.

Will the Sabbath be "in full swing?"

[Xan]

shiloh, why would the messiah sit in the temple and have sacrifices going on? He is the sacrafice,

the sacrifices in the millennial temple will be memorials looking back at the cross. their purpose, in part, is to memorialize what was done on the cross. Also, the sin offering mentioned in Hebrews 10 will not be done in that temple. It is missing from the list of sacrifices in Ezekiel 40-48. He is the sin offering and there will be more sin offering as described in Heb. 10, but there will be sacrifices in the millennium.

During the millennium, Torah observance will be in full swing.

What would be the point in that? Paul said the Law was written to expose our sins. Sin offerings were created so that the blood of a blameless animal would cover our sins. I can certainly see the value with the keeping of God's appointed feasts as a memorial, but not the sacrificial system.

[Massorite]

shiloh, why would the messiah sit in the temple and have sacrifices going on? He is the sacrafice,

the sacrifices in the millennial temple will be memorials looking back at the cross. their purpose, in part, is to memorialize what was done on the cross. Also, the sin offering mentioned in Hebrews 10 will not be done in that temple. It is missing from the list of sacrifices in Ezekiel 40-48. He is the sin offering and there will be more sin offering as described in Heb. 10, but there will be sacrifices in the millennium.

During the millennium, Torah observance will be in full swing.

What would be the point in that? Paul said the Law was written to expose our sins. Sin offerings were created so that the blood of a blameless animal would cover our sins. I can certainly see the value with the keeping of God's appointed feasts as a memorial, but not the sacrificial system.

The point is that in the book of Ezekial the word of God says that there will be sacrifices done again in the new temple of God by the Prince/ Christ during the 1000 years. If the word of God says it. It is so.

[BlindSeeker]

shiloh, why would the messiah sit in the temple and have sacrifices going on? He is the sacrafice,

the sacrifices in the millennial temple will be memorials looking back at the cross. their purpose, in part, is to memorialize what was done on the cross. Also, the sin offering mentioned in Hebrews 10 will not be done in that temple. It is missing from the list of sacrifices in Ezekiel 40-48. He is the sin offering and there will be more sin offering as described in Heb. 10, but there will be sacrifices in the millennium.

During the millennium, Torah observance will be in full swing.

What would be the point in that? Paul said the Law was written to expose our sins. Sin offerings were created so that the blood of a blameless animal would cover our sins. I can certainly see the value with the keeping of God's appointed feasts as a memorial, but not the sacrificial system.

The point is that in the book of Ezekial the word of God says that there will be sacrifices done again in the new temple of God by the Prince/ Christ during the 1000 years. If the word of God says it. It is so.

What chapter and verse does it say sacrifices done again in the new temple of God by the Prince/ Christ during the 1000 years? And what type and shadow would those sacrifices . . . be seeing God has no pleasure them?

[BlindSeeker]

Just a bump . . .

shiloh, why would the messiah sit in the temple and have sacrifices going on? He is the sacrafice,

the sacrifices in the millennial temple will be memorials looking back at the cross. their purpose, in part, is to memorialize what was done on the cross. Also, the sin offering mentioned in Hebrews 10 will not be done in that temple. It is missing from the list of sacrifices in Ezekiel 40-48. He is the sin offering and there will be more sin offering as described in Heb. 10, but there will be sacrifices in the millennium.

During the millennium, Torah observance will be in full swing.

What would be the point in that? Paul said the Law was written to expose our sins. Sin offerings were created so that the blood of a blameless animal would cover our sins. I can certainly see the value with the keeping of God's appointed feasts as a memorial, but not the sacrificial system.

The point is that in the book of Ezekial the word of God says that there will be sacrifices done again in the new temple of God by the Prince/ Christ during the 1000 years. If the word of God says it. It is so.

What chapter and verse does it say sacrifices done again in the new temple of God by the Prince/ Christ during the 1000 years? And what type and shadow would those sacrifices . . . be seeing God has no pleasure them?

[Massorite]

Just a bump . . .

shiloh, why would the messiah sit in the temple and have sacrifices going on? He is the sacrifice,

the sacrifices in the millennial temple will be memorials looking back at the cross. their purpose, in part, is to memorialize what was done on the cross. Also, the sin offering mentioned in Hebrews 10 will not be done in that temple. It is missing from the list of sacrifices in Ezekiel 40-48. He is the sin offering and there will be more sin offering as described in Heb. 10, but there will be sacrifices in the millennium.

During the millennium, Torah observance will be in full swing.

What would be the point in that? Paul said the Law was written to expose our sins. Sin offerings were created so that the blood of a blameless animal would cover our sins. I can certainly see the value with the keeping of God's appointed feasts as a memorial, but not the sacrificial system.

The point is that in the book of Ezekiel the word of God says that there will be sacrifices done again in the new temple of God by the Prince/ Christ during the 1000 years. If the word of God says it. It is so.

What chapter and verse does it say sacrifices done again in the new temple of God by the Prince/ Christ during the 1000 years? And what type and shadow would those sacrifices . . . be seeing God has no pleasure them?

The last few chapters in the book of Ezekiel are about the 1000 years. It is chapter 45:18-25 were the bible tells about how the "Priest/Prince" will be doing sacrifices.

The bible is not at all clear about any of this looking back stuff but the bible is clear about the reasons for the sacrifices. They are for cleansing the sanctuary and a sin offering.

Still the question remains as to why the future sacrifices are needed and the answer is. Because God said so. When the day comes we will have all understanding.

[BlindSeeker]

What chapter and verse does it say sacrifices done again in the new temple of God by the Prince/ Christ during the 1000 years? And what type and shadow would those sacrifices . . . be seeing God has no pleasure them?

The last few chapters in the book of Ezekiel are about the 1000 years. It is chapter 45:18-25 were the bible tells about how the "Priest/Prince" will be doing sacrifices.

The bible is not at all clear about any of this looking back stuff but the bible is clear about the reasons for the sacrifices. They are for cleansing the sanctuary and a sin offering.

Still the question remains as to why the future sacrifices are needed and the answer is. Because God said so. When the day comes we will have all understanding.

So, Jesus's death as a sin offering wasn't for all sin?