Who is the Antichrist?

[damo1]

from damo1

i should have mentioned to you many have done studys on what you are doing know i am very apostolic my self and if you say to what you are saying what does it tell you then in what is written in revelations my friend

these things wil happen for a reason and yes the enemy is going to be let loose does this not say this in revelations but it also says that he and his followers wil be dealt with

i gave up a long time ago trying to worry whom or who it may be that wil come in the form of a man my old church did a seriouse of teachings on this and the man that did this was very educated and very bright

we do not need to worry and we do not need to get our heads around this i could have thrown a lot of verses at you but i am not going to do this i am around some educated people my self who are more advanced in what you have pointed out in your study i had a friend over and he was going over what you jotted down and this man does not laugh that

much i trust him with my life and he told me not to listen to this so that is saying something

though my friend said thank you for the good laugh he needed it and hope god blesses you

did jesus ever tel the disciples to worry who the antichrist is going to be he told them to take the gospal threw out the hole world and preach the good news and this is what i am doing my friend very simple basic teaching that jesus passed onto his disciples go and preach the good news to the world jesus does not say in the living word of god we must get our heads around to whom the Antichrist is going to be and say now preach

so i am not going to say sorry for what i said in my first post hear to you

[Grungekid]

I think people are equating the 'anti-christ' with the word 'Babylon' in Revelation. Babylon represents wordly ways and forces that go against God, not the anti-christ. He is, without a doubt, a more detailed figure in the book, and it is suffice to say that he may very well be the apocalyptic dictator that everyone is looking for.

Edited September 29, 2007 by Grungekid

[Grungekid]

I think people are equating the 'anti-christ' with the word 'Babylon' in Revelation. Babylon represents wordly ways and forces that go against God, not the anti-christ. He is, without a doubt, a more detailed figure in the book, and it is suffice to say that he may very well be the apocalyptic dictator that everyone is looking for.

No, he isnt.

Oh yeah I forgot, none of that is going to happen. The atheist said so.

[HAZARD]

The Antichrist will be a man; " Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a MAN; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six" (Revelation 13:18), and the Bible also teaches that the Antichrist will reign over only ten kingdoms that are yet to be formed inside the yet to be revived, Old Roman Empire and he will not be a world wide dictator (Dan. 7:23-24). Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdoms to him. (Rev.13:1; 17:12-17). Certain countries will escape his rule (Dan.11:40-44). Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Dan. 11:40-44). Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the Roman Empire territory and because America is not inside that territory and never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator.

Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so. The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21).

This further limits the kingdom of the Antichrist to only part of the world and also limits his ability to kill every one who does not take the mark even in his own empire. According to Rev. 14:9-11 no one who has taken the mark will go into the Millennium, but will be sent to eternal Hell.

That multitudes go into the Millennium proves they have not taken the mark of the beast and have not been killed, as taught by many Bible students.

If the Antichrist were to kill every person who does not take his mark, and God sends to Hell every one who does take the mark, then there would be not one person left to enter the Millennium. Also,

The mark of the beast will not be 666. There are three brands men will have a choice of taking in the days of the Antichrist inside his kingdom. They are his name, his mark, and the number of his name (Rev. 13:16-18). The name and mark of this man is not given in scripture; so no one will know what they are until he comes and men get to know what his name and mark will be, and what he will chose to put on his followers. The only one of these three brands that is given is the number of his name, and that is stated as being 666 in Rev. 13:18. So 666 is not the name or the mark of the beast. It is the number of the beast.

[Leonard]

Wow! There are sure an awful lot of Christians who spend an AWFUL lot of time "wondering after the beast!"

[HAZARD]

The Antichrist will be a man; " Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a MAN; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six" (Revelation 13:18), and the Bible also teaches that the Antichrist will reign over only ten kingdoms that are yet to be formed inside the yet to be revived, Old Roman Empire and he will not be a world wide dictator (Dan. 7:23-24). Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdoms to him. (Rev.13:1; 17:12-17). Certain countries will escape his rule (Dan.11:40-44). Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Dan. 11:40-44). Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the Roman Empire territory and because America is not inside that territory and never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator.

Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so. The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21).

This further limits the kingdom of the Antichrist to only part of the world and also limits his ability to kill every one who does not take the mark even in his own empire. According to Rev. 14:9-11 no one who has taken the mark will go into the Millennium, but will be sent to eternal Hell.

That multitudes go into the Millennium proves they have not taken the mark of the beast and have not been killed, as taught by many Bible students.

If the Antichrist were to kill every person who does not take his mark, and God sends to Hell every one who does take the mark, then there would be not one person left to enter the Millennium. Also,

The mark of the beast will not be 666. There are three brands men will have a choice of taking in the days of the Antichrist inside his kingdom. They are his name, his mark, and the number of his name (Rev. 13:16-18). The name and mark of this man is not given in scripture; so no one will know what they are until he comes and men get to know what his name and mark will be, and what he will chose to put on his followers. The only one of these three brands that is given is the number of his name, and that is stated as being 666 in Rev. 13:18. So 666 is not the name or the mark of the beast. It is the number of the beast.

Rapture Theology is so frustrating. So many people are wrapped up and bank their lives on this theology, when in reality its not even real.

How many lives have been destroyed, how many suicides have occured, how many children abused, how many parents hated, how many families ripped apart SOLEY based on the fact that Jesus is coming soon, and you better not get "Left Behind".

Jerry Jenkins and Tim Lehey are the "Pipers" of Christianity. They have only furthered the embrace of our selfish nature, our greed, our self centered desire, dare i say need to know that we've got our ticket out. Once that trumpet sounds we're outta here, God help those who arent.

People have become stairsteps, rungs on a ladder, stepping stones into a "better place". We dont care. Quite the contrary, we are taught to behave this way. To smile and act like we care but when push comes to shove, you better stay out of my way because i'll be darned if i miss the boat because of you.

I cry for us. My heart bleeds for us.

I sit and I cry and I bleed for us.

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Hi 'Thoughtful'

If you miss any boats during your lifetime that's your business. I personally don't give a flying Ka-hoona, what people do with their lives. Thats their business and between them and their God if they believe in a God or God Himself. All I do is study the Scriptures and post them up for people to make up their own mind's on any doctrin as they so choose. If I am in error, then just as many Scriptures, if not more should be able to be found to debunk what I have posted. If that is done by anyone, I will be the first to change my understanding as quick as lightning. As free moral agents we can believe what we want to believe, or not believe.

The rapture, as it is called, is definately mentioned in the Scriptures. The rapture is a distinct event in itself and takes place at least seven years before the second coming of christ. The rapture takes place before the tribulation, and the second coming after the tribulation. The rapture is the time when Christ comes FOR the saints (1 Thess. 4:13-17), and the second coming is when He comes back to the Earth WITH them (Zech. 14:1-5; Jude 14; Rev. 19:11-21). At the rapture, Christ takes the saints to heaven (1 Thess. 3:13; 4:16; Col. 3:4), and at the second coming He Leaves Heaven with them (Rev. 19 11-21). At the rapture Christ does not come to Earth (1 thess.4:16) but at the second coming He does (Zech.14:14; Matt. 24:29-31). Since Christ does not come to earth at the rapture, it cannot be called the second coming of Christ.

If the rapture is a myth, created by people who can't understand the truth in scripture, then the apostle Paul is a fraud and a liar and the Bible is also a lie and should be thrown in the fire to be burnt.

Paul writes in (1 Thess. 4: 15-18), "According to THE LORDS OWN WORD, we tell you that those who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certinly not precede those who have fallen asleep. V.16, For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God,and the dead in Christ will rise first. V.17, After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them (IN THE CLOUDS) to meet the Lord (IN THE AIR). And so will be with the Lord forever. V.18. Therefore comefirt each other with these words."

I see nothing secret about these verses, or what is to occure here at this time; If the Bible is to be believed and Paul and Jesus are not liars, and ifone is intelligent enough to read and understand the plain English language, To be caught up together "IN THE CLOUDS" "TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR", If this isn't a rapture, what should we call it? "Paragliding? Absailing? or maybe Wind Surfing?" Christ is met in the clouds in the air, He does not set foot on the planet earth at this time. In (Zec.14-14) (Matt.24:29-31) He does return to the earth. Why do people get tied up in knots and twist Gods words and try and make them say what they do not say. Would any sane person write a letter to their loved ones, explaining to them their plans for the future, and then write it in code so they could not understand it, and call it a myth or a mystery? I think not. If one approaches Gods word openly and honestly, It is not too difficult to get what God is saying. Remember, God means what He says when He says what He means.

[busdriver72]

"Rapture" comes from the Latin "raptura." It means to be "caught up." It is found in the Latin text, which is where the word "rapture" comes from.

I lean toward a "rapture" theology, but the rapture itself is not my hope or deliverance. Christ. Our salvation is not dependant upon whether or not our rapture theology is exactly right. Nor is it dependant upon whether our "anti-Christ" theology is dead on either.

Sunday mornings we are doing a study of Daniel and in the evening we are going through Revelation.

While I can understand the leaning toward the Roman Catholic system as being the anti-Christ, I can't fully buy into it.

The anti-Christ will arise from the remnants Rome (the toes of clay mixed with iron, the 4th beast with 10 horns...from which another horn comes up from the midst of. Book of Daniel chap 2 & 7.) It won't be the Roman empire, but it will have the empire attitude. It will be aggressive, dominating, arrogant, self-exalting, pompous. It will seek to not just resist Christ, but to actually replace Christ. It will hate the real Christ and exalt itself as Lord and Savior.

The Catholic system, while it may somewhat down-play the saving power and merits of Christ Himself (thus making the Catholic gospel...in my opinion....a false gospel), does not quite fit the bill.

I have not ruled out the possibility that the anti-Christ may be Islamic in some form.

Islam is anti-Christ in nature ("God has no son" is a common Islamic saying.)

There is also a strong Islamic belief that there is coming a TRUE Messiah (in their minds), and Lord and Savior type figure, who will arise. His arrival and ascension will also be accompanied by war and massive death.....including the extermination of Christians and Jews. But then again, that's just guessing on my part.

Personally, I think we're all going to be suprised.

[HAZARD]

Personally, I think we're all going to be suprised.

This is really the only statement i can get on board with. I think you all will be surprised.

I wont be surprised, because of these plain simple words of the Lord Himself!

Paul writes in (1 Thess. 4: 15-18), "According to THE LORDS OWN WORD, we tell you that those who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certinly not precede those who have fallen asleep. V.16, For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God,and the dead in Christ will rise first. V.17, After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them (IN THE CLOUDS) to meet the Lord (IN THE AIR). And so will be with the Lord forever. V.18. Therefore comefirt each other with these words."

[busdriver72]

When I said "I think we're all going to be suprised" I didn't mean the Lord was going to reverse Himself or pull a switch on us.

I simply meant there is the possibility that some of our interpretations as to the sequence and timing may be off a bit.

It will not affect His return and the fact we WILL be caught up to be with Him!

As I heard a Pastor once say jokingly "I'm Pre-trib, and as best as I humanly can, I think Scripture supports Pre-trib. I just hope Jesus is Pre-trib!"

[busdriver72]

The sad thing is that I can be open to accepting things i dont know, such as the creation of the world.

What's so sad about that?