"Age of Accountability"

[Guest]

WHOSE KIDS

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But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

2 Samuel 12:23

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At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

Matthew 18:1-5

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He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1 John 4:8

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And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

1 John 4:16

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But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 5:8

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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

Oh How I Love Jesus!

I Know In Whom My Salvation Rests And I love these brothers and sisters of mine dearly.

I have no doubt Old Joe will be standing way behind a humongous boisterous joyful cloud of God's "Special" kids.

Kids praising and dancing and casting their mountains of crowns before The LORD.

No more tormented little minds just Praise And Glory And Honor To Their KING.

God Is Good.

Maranatha!

Hallelujah!

Be Blessed Beloved

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[username_5]

There isn't a single sentence in all of scripture than even remotely implies 'an age of accountability'.

What the scriptures do say is that all have sinned. It also says that upon birth all have inhereted the sinful nature of Adam and Even even if one is so young (unborn) as to have not been able to sin.

There are many who believe in a God who wouldn't dare send anyone to hell for eternity unless that person was given a reasonable chance to accept Jesus. The reality is that this is not supported by scripture. What scripture says is everyone is deserving of hell and the only escape clause is faith in Jesus.

Anyone who believes babies or those with mental disabilities will invariably go to heaven are inventing ideas not supported by scripture.

The ideas may be true or false, but they are certainly not supported by scripture.

While there no direct mention of an "age of accountability", there is scripture that backs up the belief that those who never heard (or cannot mentally comprehend) the Gospel can be allowed into Heaven:

Romans 2: 13-15

13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Lord, thank you for BibleGateway.com's Bible word search.

Thank you for agreeing there is no scripture directly supporting the idea of an 'age of accountability'.

You have attempted to proof quote scripture to support your private view that there is such a thing, but there is not and I will demonstrate, using your quotes that there is not.

Your quote is:

Romans 2: 13-15

13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

This says absolutely nothing about an age of accountability. It seems to be the Paul/James controversy between works and faith.

14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Again, this has nothing at all to do with an age of accountability. This deals with the fact that god's laws are intuitive and everyone regardless of faith or creed simply 'gets' that murder and other bad things are wrong.

15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

See what I wrote for verse 14. Again, this 'proof text' utterly fails to present any evidence whatsoever that there is any such thing as an age of accountability in the bible.

What is in the bible is this:

Everyone is born unto sin. There is nothing that any human can do that is good in God's eyes because it is all tainted. Everyone is deserving of eternal damnation. Those who escape damnation do so not because of merit, but grace and mercy.

The very idea of an 'age of accountability' is completely foreign to scripture and it is pure nonsense that those who cannot stomach God as he is invent false doctrines to assuage their conscience. Make no mistake it is a 100% invented doctrine and has absolutely zero scripture supporting it. Take God as he is. Love him or hate him, but stop trying to make him out to be more politically correct than he is.

Edited September 27, 2007 by username_5

[OneLight]

There isn't a single sentence in all of scripture than even remotely implies 'an age of accountability'.

What the scriptures do say is that all have sinned. It also says that upon birth all have inhereted the sinful nature of Adam and Even even if one is so young (unborn) as to have not been able to sin.

There are many who believe in a God who wouldn't dare send anyone to hell for eternity unless that person was given a reasonable chance to accept Jesus. The reality is that this is not supported by scripture. What scripture says is everyone is deserving of hell and the only escape clause is faith in Jesus.

Anyone who believes babies or those with mental disabilities will invariably go to heaven are inventing ideas not supported by scripture.

The ideas may be true or false, but they are certainly not supported by scripture.

While there no direct mention of an "age of accountability", there is scripture that backs up the belief that those who never heard (or cannot mentally comprehend) the Gospel can be allowed into Heaven:

Romans 2: 13-15

13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Lord, thank you for BibleGateway.com's Bible word search.

Thank you for agreeing there is no scripture directly supporting the idea of an 'age of accountability'.

You have attempted to proof quote scripture to support your private view that there is such a thing, but there is not and I will demonstrate, using your quotes that there is not.

Your quote is:

Romans 2: 13-15

13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

This says absolutely nothing about an age of accountability. It seems to be the Paul/James controversy between works and faith.

14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Again, this has nothing at all to do with an age of accountability. This deals with the fact that god's laws are intuitive and everyone regardless of faith or creed simply 'gets' that murder and other bad things are wrong.

15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

See what I wrote for verse 14. Again, this 'proof text' utterly fails to present any evidence whatsoever that there is any such thing as an age of accountability in the bible.

What is in the bible is this:

Everyone is born unto sin. There is nothing that any human can do that is good in God's eyes because it is all tainted. Everyone is deserving of eternal damnation. Those who escape damnation do so not because of merit, but grace and mercy.

The very idea of an 'age of accountability' is completely foreign to scripture and it is pure nonsense that those who cannot stomach God as he is invent false doctrines to assuage their conscience. Make no mistake it is a 100% invented doctrine and has absolutely zero scripture supporting it. Take God as he is. Love him or hate him, but stop trying to make him out to be more politically correct than he is.

Edited to address this to username_5

Let me ask you this. A baby, less then 5 hours old, dies from heart failure. Where will this child go?

Edited September 28, 2007 by OneLight

[OneLight]

I have to add this scripture:

1 Corinthians 13 (NKJV)

The Greatest Gift

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.

Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

I believe the Love of God expounds beyond what any of us will ever understand.

[Zadok Rox]

14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Again, this has nothing at all to do with an age of accountability. This deals with the fact that god's laws are intuitive and everyone regardless of faith or creed simply 'gets' that murder and other bad things are wrong.

15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )

See what I wrote for verse 14. Again, this 'proof text' utterly fails to present any evidence whatsoever that there is any such thing as an age of accountability in the bible.

A baby and a small child has no concept of good and evil, so their conscience will bear them witness that they're not guilty, just like a person who has never heard about God, Jesus and sin. God isn't politically correct (and He shouldn't be), but He is not unrightous.

[Axxman]

Again...there is nothing in the Bible that says a person MUST understand "sin" before they can be guilty. Since we know that we are born in sin, and we are guilty from birth...how does dying as a baby change any of those scriptural facts? It plainly does not. Babies don't become suddenly pure and sinless because they died.

ALL have sinned and fall short of God's glory. To create loopholes and shortcuts in God's plan of salvation based on human emotion simply undermines grace. There is only ONE way to be saved and it has nothing to do with your age, mental capacity, or how old you are when you die.

[GloryToGod!]

14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Again, this has nothing at all to do with an age of accountability. This deals with the fact that god's laws are intuitive and everyone regardless of faith or creed simply 'gets' that murder and other bad things are wrong.

15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )

See what I wrote for verse 14. Again, this 'proof text' utterly fails to present any evidence whatsoever that there is any such thing as an age of accountability in the bible.

A baby and a small child has no concept of good and evil, so their conscience will bear them witness that they're not guilty, just like a person who has never heard about God, Jesus and sin. God isn't politically correct (and He shouldn't be), but He is not unrightous.

So, all mentally retarded human beings are ultimately ending up in h_ll?

[OneLight]

Again...there is nothing in the Bible that says a person MUST understand "sin" before they can be guilty. Since we know that we are born in sin, and we are guilty from birth...how does dying as a baby change any of those scriptural facts? It plainly does not. Babies don't become suddenly pure and sinless because they died.

ALL have sinned and fall short of God's glory. To create loopholes and shortcuts in God's plan of salvation based on human emotion simply undermines grace. There is only ONE way to be saved and it has nothing to do with your age, mental capacity, or how old you are when you die.

You can hold unto this belief, any anyone else who agrees with you, for I will not put God in a such box. When I held my 5 hour old granddaughter as she died, I knew that she would be with Jesus in a very short time and still, to this day, believe it. God is a God of pure Love, not the Love that you or I understand. He is a just God and will judge according to His ways. If you think that God is only found between Genesis and Revelations, you will be in for a big surprise, for I am sure that He has not told us everything. He is more then we can even imagine. His Love is beyond anything we can imagine. With our finite minds, we read and try our best, but because of our limitation, He knows we can not comprehend everything that He is about. Tell me, what do you really read when you read 1 Cor 13?

[Fiosh]

There isn't a single sentence in all of scripture than even remotely implies 'an age of accountability'.

What the scriptures do say is that all have sinned. It also says that upon birth all have inhereted the sinful nature of Adam and Even even if one is so young (unborn) as to have not been able to sin.

There are many who believe in a God who wouldn't dare send anyone to hell for eternity unless that person was given a reasonable chance to accept Jesus. The reality is that this is not supported by scripture. What scripture says is everyone is deserving of hell and the only escape clause is faith in Jesus.

Anyone who believes babies or those with mental disabilities will invariably go to heaven are inventing ideas not supported by scripture.

The ideas may be true or false, but they are certainly not supported by scripture.

While there no direct mention of an "age of accountability", there is scripture that backs up the belief that those who never heard (or cannot mentally comprehend) the Gospel can be allowed into Heaven:

Romans 2: 13-15

13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Lord, thank you for BibleGateway.com's Bible word search.

Thank you for agreeing there is no scripture directly supporting the idea of an 'age of accountability'.

You have attempted to proof quote scripture to support your private view that there is such a thing, but there is not and I will demonstrate, using your quotes that there is not.

Your quote is:

Romans 2: 13-15

13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

This says absolutely nothing about an age of accountability. It seems to be the Paul/James controversy between works and faith.

14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Again, this has nothing at all to do with an age of accountability. This deals with the fact that god's laws are intuitive and everyone regardless of faith or creed simply 'gets' that murder and other bad things are wrong.

15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

See what I wrote for verse 14. Again, this 'proof text' utterly fails to present any evidence whatsoever that there is any such thing as an age of accountability in the bible.

What is in the bible is this:

Everyone is born unto sin. There is nothing that any human can do that is good in God's eyes because it is all tainted. Everyone is deserving of eternal damnation. Those who escape damnation do so not because of merit, but grace and mercy.

The very idea of an 'age of accountability' is completely foreign to scripture and it is pure nonsense that those who cannot stomach God as he is invent false doctrines to assuage their conscience. Make no mistake it is a 100% invented doctrine and has absolutely zero scripture supporting it. Take God as he is. Love him or hate him, but stop trying to make him out to be more politically correct than he is.

Edited to address this to username_5

Let me ask you this. A baby, less then 5 hours old, dies from heart failure. Where will this child go?

EricH is correct. Scripture is not clear on this issue. We trust babies to the mercy of God.

[Zadok Rox]

For those of you who believe that babies end up in hell, let me ask you this: how does a baby get born-again and forgiven of their sins? A baby has absolutely no way asking Jesus as their Lord and Savior, much less understanding that he/she is a sinner in need of a Savior.