Unscriptural Hymnals In Worship

[poorinspirit]

The Church of Christ goes through this same debate about every ten years or so when someone takes issue with the scriptural correctness of the song "Just a Little Talk with Jesus"; and sooner or later it comes out that the individual who is doing the whining usually has an agenda of some sort.

One of the blessings of grace is that within the bounds of holiness there is room for variation. I submit that that includes an allowance for a lack of ability to articulate our thoughts properly in whatever language we speak or sing. We are told when we pray that "the Spirit intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words", and I severely doubt God is so rigid that He will zorch someone for not singing exactly the 'right' doctrine, especially when the worshipper's heart is in the right place.

Incidentally, I have no intention of learning to speak and read the Aramaic of Jesus' day. God will have to accept my contemporaneous English.

Hi arturo63,

It is written to beware the leaven of the Pharisees for it starts with one leaven and pretty soon, it leavens a whole lump.

Matthew 12: 35A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Pretty soon, that little leaven goes to ignoring His sayings as it does become a whole lump because then all they have to do is point to the hymnals and say... it wasn't wrong then. Thus no can reprove nor defend the faith because of errant bible versions and errant hymnals.

Truly then, one can understand how the falling away has occurred because we did not heed His sayings in building on our faith.

John 5: 39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41I receive not honour from men. 42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

46For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Matthew 7: 13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

2 Timothy 4: 1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

How can one fight the good fight in keeping the faith in these perilous times we live in if we do not correct through the written Word that testifies of Jesus Christ which can be found in the KJV?

[nebula]

Oh! You came back.

Because you are putting the Spirit of God on par with angels and demons - and that is wrong beyond comprehension.

The Holy Spirit is not "just another spirit." He is God - one with the Son, one with the Father.

Bye bye, nebula!!! Bye bye Worthy Board!!! I really do LOVE ya!!

O appear, Lord Jesus!!! Appear!!!! Let thy LIGHT shine forth and make the clouds of deceptions between You and them be GONE!!!!

I went through a time when I was a part of a small group of believers that thought we had this great revelation from God that was above everyone else, too - all believers are deceived but us - so I know how strong this kind of deception can be. The fact that you won't tell angels4u what group or doctrine you belong to confirms that you consider yourself separate form all other believers.

I find it sad that you do not understand the oneness of God, how when One speaks, they all speak, and when you pray to One, you pray to all (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) - else they cannot be One.

OK - farewell, and I pray your deception be driven away.

Well, the battle is the Lord then. It is amazing that in your stance to defend what you are doing, the name of Jesus is mentioned less and less in your walk and talk and thus I wonder if His name is really above very other name when you resort to blurring the lines to speak of the Holy Spirit more than Jesus. You say they are all One.. and I agree, but yet as much as everyone accused me of ignoring the Holy Spirit, it is you that is ignoring what the Holy Spirit in you is doing and that is to tesify and glorify Jesus Christ and thus leads to the question... are you LED by the Spirit of God in doing what the Holy Spirit in you is leading you to do?

Please explain how you can judge my "walk and talk" based on a single debate issue? My walk and talk is my daily life. Here we are talking about the Holy Spirit, and as such, the Holy Spirit is the focus of what I have written on.

So what is your answer,and how can you continue doing that if you believe you are led?

Yes, the Holy Spirit glorifies Jesus, but Jesus glorifies the Father. Thus, by your argument, the Father should be our ultimate focus, correct?

Can anyone go wrong by focussing on Jesus, the Good Shepherd?

No, but the debate is over whether or not the Holy Spirit should be worshiped as God.

I never advocated the Holy Spirit being our main focus. I simply disagree with the claim that He should be ignored.

I couldn't get through this life without the Holy Spirit. And since it is He whom Jesus sent to lead, guide, teach and encourage us, I fail to see how giving Him credit for His work and revering and honoring Him is a sin.

Seems a sure Way not to have Him say.. I know ye not whence ye are.. depart from me ye workers of iniquity if you are relating to Jesus. If the indwelling Holy Spirit and scriptures and all the invitations given are pointing to Jesus and scriptures warns of thieves and robbers that would climb up another way around Jesus.... seems to me Jesus is the strait gate from all the apostasy that is to exist before His appearing.

Again, no one is putting the Holy Spirit in the place of Jesus. But, if you believe the Holy Spirit is God, then He deserves to be regarded, treated and related to as God.

As I said.. the battle is the Lord.

I rest in Jesus' promise that there is no more hungering nor thirsting for coming to Jesus and thus no continual filling afterwards for I am a new creature in Christ filled with the Holy Ghost thus "sealed" with that Spirit of adoption whereas Jesus becaomes My Good Shepherd and not just My Saviour.

And as I said, your statements seem to put the Holy Spirit on the same level and the angels and demons, and I cannot agree with this.

Focusing on Jesus should not mean we disregard the Holy Spirit. Either He is God and should be worshiped as God, or He is not God. You call the Holy Spirit God, so why leave Him out of the picture?

If glorifying Jesus brings glory to the Father, why should not glorifying the Holy Spirit bring glory to Jesus in the same way?

[damo1]

The Church of Christ goes through this same debate about every ten years or so when someone takes issue with the scriptural correctness of the song "Just a Little Talk with Jesus"; and sooner or later it comes out that the individual who is doing the whining usually has an agenda of some sort.

One of the blessings of grace is that within the bounds of holiness there is room for variation. I submit that that includes an allowance for a lack of ability to articulate our thoughts properly in whatever language we speak or sing. We are told when we pray that "the Spirit intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words", and I severely doubt God is so rigid that He will zorch someone for not singing exactly the 'right' doctrine, especially when the worshipper's heart is in the right place.

Incidentally, I have no intention of learning to speak and read the Aramaic of Jesus' day. God will have to accept my contemporaneous English.

Hi arturo63,

It is written to beware the leaven of the Pharisees for it starts with one leaven and pretty soon, it leavens a whole lump.

Matthew 12: 35A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Pretty soon, that little leaven goes to ignoring His sayings as it does become a whole lump because then all they have to do is point to the hymnals and say... it wasn't wrong then. Thus no can reprove nor defend the faith because of errant bible versions and errant hymnals.

Truly then, one can understand how the falling away has occurred because we did not heed His sayings in building on our faith.

John 5: 39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41I receive not honour from men. 42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

46For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Matthew 7: 13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

2 Timothy 4: 1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

How can one fight the good fight in keeping the faith in these perilous times we live in if we do not correct through the written Word that testifies of Jesus Christ which can be found in the KJV?

damo1

to poor in spirit

it also say do not judge do not point and do noe grieve the holy spirit are you god poor in spirit after what you left me i could have left this hear for al to read what have you got against us that do belive and sing and praise god this way in church peach if you can not handle the truth poor in spirit stop trying to correct those that do worship the father this way you have not been ordained or as you said threw your minstry you tried to prove one person who is wrong i said you should email that person your self and have the guts to tell him

poor in spirit stop mocking god and preaching hear to us how we should see it your way just because most of us have a diffrent bible it does not mean that all bibles are wrong poor in spirit yours has a lot of flaws as wel my friend

think before you say something as i find what you say very offensive poor in spirit

you are not god

[poorinspirit]

Focusing on Jesus should not mean we disregard the Holy Spirit. Either He is God and should be worshiped as God, or He is not God. You call the Holy Spirit God, so why leave Him out of the picture?

Because the Holy Spirit will not speak of Himself if He seeks to testify of Jesus Christ to glorify the Son. If we are led by the Spirit of God, the indwelling Holy Spirit will do the will of the Father and that is to honor the Son and glorify the Son by which He would lead us to do also.

If glorifying Jesus brings glory to the Father, why should not glorifying the Holy Spirit bring glory to Jesus in the same way?

Because nowhere in scriptures does it say that, now does it? Again... the Holy Spirit does not seek that if He fulfills the role as a Divine Witness in leading us to glorify the Son. The only Way to glorify God the Father is through the Son. Scriptures say that plainly.

It is the thinking of man that is broadening the Way and climbing up another way around Jesus by pointing to the Holy Spirit or including the Holy Spirit in the spotlight, but the Holy Spirit does not seek that. Since He is God, He will do the will of the Father.... testify and glorify the Son. So should we.

I have plastered this thread with enough scriptures to declare the truth in what I had shared but as always, it is the Lord that must cause the increase.

Since people are adhering to keep the other versions of the Bible on the same level as the KJV in spite that scriptures are to testify of Jesus as the KJV does, I doubt very much anyone would listen to this correction when other versions would change a word or a pronoun and thus justifying taking their eyes off of seeking the face of Jesus to something else in His name. And as the topic is unscriptural hymnals, from this small leaven of the Pharisees, then it becomes a whole lump when it leads to unscriptural manifestations of what they claim to be the Holy Spirit by the SAME RUDIMENT which the unscriptural hymnals are leading others astray by... and that is looking to the Spirit.. praying to the Spirit.. and thus worshipping the Spirit as in OUT of Spirit thus bearing false witness of the Gospel that the Holy Spirit is in us as promised for all those that come to Jesus.

Oh yes. Give that inch.... what is clearly not what believers are to do... it will take the whole equator.

[nebula]

poorinspirit -

In all the things you have said, you have not convinced me that you actually regard the Holy Spirit (or Holy Ghost if you prefer) as God. I know you have said you do, but I would like to know how you regard Him as God?

For example, I stated that my interpretation of your statements indicate that you have put the Holy Spirit on the same level as angels and demons. I would especially appreciate you clarifying if you do or if you do not regard Him this way. And if you do not, please explain.

[damo1]

damo1

to poor in spirit i am not going to have some one like your self trying to correct us that are in a church and are submissive to our pastors and to our leadership

you are on your own in this brother as by what i read it seems to me poor in spirit you see the holy spirit as a red neck step child who is hear to miss lead and lie to gods people when all along the holy spirit has been given to the disciples and to the apostles to guide them threw this world as Jesus him self said the world will not believe in me but i am sending you a helper who Will convict the world and he Will give you the right words to say to those in your community's who are living in sin

the scripture verses you gave out poor in spirit are just from one bible which some how you even feel that us common people who are committed to a church should get rid of our bibles and stick by the kings James bible as its the only true bible that should be printed

i have the new international open study bible i have the spirit filled open study bible and i Will be buying the bible in my own language which i am with in my own rights to do this and every single translation that has been printed poor in spirit points to god the son and the holy spirit i also read the old kings James version and it does not say what you have been trying to point out in the scriptures you have been leaving us and have with all your heart tried to correct us and get us to repent of the way we see who the holy spirit is

tell me poor in spirit the psalms that david wrote when he was alive are we not to belive in them are we not to use these psalms to inspire us in our praise to god god loves to hear his people sing and in church every sunday i tell my father in heaven how much i love him i also sing threw the week as i am free to do this due to being that talented wear with what ever song i sing in our worship team on sunday i play this by my self at home and i can not see how by me again saying holy spirit never let me greive you i thank you for opening my eyes to the truth of gods living word

the psalm that david wrote i wil be singing this in our prayer meeting tonight

creat in me a clean heart do not take your spirit from me restore unto me the joy of thy salvation and renew a right spirit with in me cast me not away from thy pressence oh lord and take not thy holy spirit from me

this psalm was written by david him self and i sing this every day at home and in tears but hey even know as i try to love you as a brother as i try to open up to you you wil just look down on what i am saying hear and you will look down on everything that other members say and say you are the only one that is right

brother please stop mocking the holy spirit as this is what you are doing know i use to do this long time ago when i was a babe i use to pull down those that spoke in tongues i would mock the holy spirit and i would even mock god why because i had a hardend heart and i put wall around me i would not belive in the works of the holy spirit and i did not see the holy spirit as a real person and every time i heard of a person being heald or set free i would mock god while i was going threw counsling over my divorce with a proffesional christian counsler who was able to invitae the holy spirit into the counsling sessions this was bought up and i had to repent of what i was saying about the holy spirit as my friend said i was coming close to not being forgiven for this as i have given you this verse sevral times brother

Matthew 12

30 he who is not with me is agianst me and he who does not gather with me scaters

31 and so i tell you every sin and every blasphmy wil be forgiven men but the blasphmy against the spirit wil not be forgiven

32 any one who speaks a word against the son of man wil be forgiven but any one who speaks a word against the holy spirit wil not be forgiven either in this age or in the age to come

i have tried with al my heart and with all my soul and with all my mind brother to be kind to take you as you are yet you have done nothing but look down on me and ingnored the warnings i am know going to do what it says in gods word poor in spirit and that is i am going to leave you know in gods hands brother

i was given these verses threw the counsling session as god wanted to give me one more chance yet i was shown also how seriouse this was by what i was doing and by what i was saying and how i was mocking the holy spirit i had to ask the holy spirit to forgive me for greiving him brother you wil be dealt with if you continue mocking the holy sipirit and i ask as a brother in the lord do not convict us poor in spirit you are not ordained you are not with in your rights to do this and you have not been given a ministry to wear god said go brother poor in spirit and preach and convict and turn my people back to me and i dont think god said go tel my people that the hoyy spirit is a red neck step child who ia going against my wil and is miss leading you and you need to repent and seek me only and ignore the holy spirit all together

your words brother poor in spirit are very twisted i am also going to block you from pm me i am sorry to leave this in the open yet its the only way i can show you how hurt i am by your words and how you like to just mock the holy spirit and then try to correct me

take care brother poor in spirit and may you have the right words to tell god on judgment day why you felt it was ok to mock the holy spirit like this

peace from damo

[poorinspirit]

damo1

to poor in spirit

it also say do not judge do not point and do noe grieve the holy spirit are you god poor in spirit after what you left me i could have left this hear for al to read what have you got against us that do belive and sing and praise god this way in church peach if you can not handle the truth poor in spirit stop trying to correct those that do worship the father this way you have not been ordained or as you said threw your minstry you tried to prove one person who is wrong i said you should email that person your self and have the guts to tell him

poor in spirit stop mocking god and preaching hear to us how we should see it your way just because most of us have a diffrent bible it does not mean that all bibles are wrong poor in spirit yours has a lot of flaws as wel my friend

think before you say something as i find what you say very offensive poor in spirit

you are not god

damo1,

As I PM'd you this morning, I already sent an e-mail to your reference of Benny Hinn several days ago. You suggested to me to do that. I just got around to informing you this morning.

ted mentioned it was a good idea while back.... your good idea that you got off of me, because I had written to Billy Graham from which you ranted about me having the nerve to do that.

Now here you are telling me not to "judge" people here as in not to correct nor reprove which I have been doing by the KJV Bible. Did that include the e-mail you told me to send to Benny Hinn?

If warnings are given in the Bible, doesn't the judgment goes with it so the reader should take His sayings more seriously and go to the Lord Jesus in prayer?

Like a fornicator shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. If a person says they don't believe that and that I am judging, then I am not really judging, am I? I am warning to repent by looking to Jesus to deliver.

Believers are admitting to not coming to Jesus when they chase after the Holy Spirit and yet warnings are given about false prophets that lead others up another way around Jesus. Judgments has also been declared as in.. I know ye not whence ye are... depart from me ye that work iniquity at the rapture event. Matthew 7:13-24 talks about the broadening of the way... Jesus is the Way so WHO else is being placed in the spotlight with Jesus? Another spirit other than the one you had already received thus apostasy. It is hypocrisey to say Come Holy Spirit when He is in us. It is not of the faith as 2 Corinthians 13:5 would declare and the Holy Spirit is leading us to testify of Jesus and glorify Jesus because that is what the Holy Spirit in us is doing. AND that is why the hymnals on addressing the Holy Spirit and worshipping the Holy Spirit is unscriptural, because that is NOT what the indwelling Holy Spirit is leading us to do as scriptures declares what the indwelling Holy Spirit is really doing!

And do note that in steering away from false prophets is by coming straight to Jesus.

Yes. I am NOT God. His words in the KJV are given to discern what is of faith and what is not as scriptures are to testify of Jesus (John 5:39-40)so if the other versions say otherwise, it is a lie. Stick with the KJV if you or anyone else has any hope of discerning the perilous times we live in now by taking the issues to JESUS in prayer for wisdom and discernment.

So I did it again. Pointed out the error clearly warned in scriptures for doing and the judgment that comes for doing it.

If I see a brother or sister heading towards a cliff, by the grace of God, I shall warn. It is up to God to take the blinders off.

And when He does, you will know that He did it, because I have been sharing His Word over and over again and trying to reason with you and others to no effect... ( though I thank the Lord for the few that did see ) BUT when that time comes when He delivers you, you will praise Jesus for the deliverance... not me. I shall praise Him too for He has kept my feet from falling so that I may rest in Jesus and His promises to us. I know that day is coming... whethor a brother or sister gets left behind, it is God chastening them as judgment must fall on the House of God first, but those blinders are coming off!!!

Here's hoping for your good in the Lord that your blinders will come off before that time comes. If you think I do not care, I would not bother to tell you, but I do care, because I seek your good as well as others in the Lord. Warnings about false prophets are given to believers so as to be ready by heeding His sayings when we build on our faith in Jesus... thereby following Him and remaining in the Light.

You can ignore me by not replying to me anymore... (do note that you have consistently told me not to respond to you, but you keep popping up with posts to me) or... you can take it to Jesus in prayer. I am trying to limit my responses to you since I did brush off the dust off of my feet, but you just keep...

Your argument isn't with me. It is with the Lord Jesus Himself. The moment you stop honoring the Son, you are not honoring the Father (John 5:22,23) , and the Holy Spirit in us is leading us to honor the Son, because Jesus' name is above every other name. Deal with Him. I can only pray for you.

Edited October 29, 2007 by poorinspirit

[damo1]

damo1

to poor in spirit

it also say do not judge do not point and do noe grieve the holy spirit are you god poor in spirit after what you left me i could have left this hear for al to read what have you got against us that do belive and sing and praise god this way in church peach if you can not handle the truth poor in spirit stop trying to correct those that do worship the father this way you have not been ordained or as you said threw your minstry you tried to prove one person who is wrong i said you should email that person your self and have the guts to tell him

poor in spirit stop mocking god and preaching hear to us how we should see it your way just because most of us have a diffrent bible it does not mean that all bibles are wrong poor in spirit yours has a lot of flaws as wel my friend

think before you say something as i find what you say very offensive poor in spirit

you are not god

damo1,

As I PM'd you this morning, I already sent an e-mail to your reference of Benny Hinn several days ago. You suggested to me to do that. I just got around to informing you this morning.

ted mentioned it was a good idea while back.... your good idea that you got off of me, because I had written to Billy Graham from which you ranted about me having the nerve to do that.

Now here you are telling me not to "judge" people here as in not to correct nor reprove which I have been doing by the KJV Bible. Did that include the e-mail you told me to send to Benny Hinn?

If warnings are given in the Bible, doesn't the judgment goes with it so the reader should take His sayings more seriously and go to the Lord Jesus in prayer?

Like a fornicator shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. If a person says they don't believe that and that I am judging, then I am not really judging, am I? I am warning to repent by looking to Jesus to deliver.

Believers are admitting to not coming to Jesus when they chase after the Holy Spirit and yet warnings are given about false prophets that lead others up another way around Jesus. Judgments has also been declared as in.. I know ye not whence ye are... depart from me ye that work iniquity at the rapture event. Matthew 7:13-24 talks about the broadening of the way... Jesus is the Way so WHO else is being placed in the spotlight with Jesus? Another spirit other than the one you had already received thus apostasy. It is hypocrisey to say Come Holy Spirit when He is in us. It is not of the faith as 2 Corinthians 13:5 would declare and the Holy Spirit is leading us to testify of Jesus and glorify Jesus because that is what the Holy Spirit in us is doing. AND that is why the hymnals on addressing the Holy Spirit and worshipping the Holy Spirit is unscriptural, because that is NOT what the indwelling Holy Spirit is leading us to do as scriptures declares what the indwelling Holy Spirit is really doing!

And do note that in steering away from false prophets is by coming straight to Jesus.

Yes. I am NOT God. His words in the KJV are given to discern what is of faith and what is not as scriptures are to testify of Jesus (John 5:39-40)so if the other versions say otherwise, it is a lie. Stick with the KJV if you or anyone else has any hope of discerning the perilous times we live in now by taking the issues to JESUS in prayer for wisdom and discernment.

So I did it again. Pointed out the error clearly warned in scriptures for doing and the judgment that comes for doing it.

If I see a brother or sister heading towards a cliff, by the grace of God, I shall warn. It is up to God to take the blinders off.

And when He does, you will know that He did it, because I have been sharing His Word over and over again and trying to reason with you and others to no effect... ( though I thank the Lord for the few that did see ) BUT when that time comes when He delivers you, you will praise Jesus for the deliverance... not me. I shall praise Him too for He has kept my feet from falling so that I may rest in Jesus and His promises to us. I know that day is coming... whethor a brother or sister gets left behind, it is God chastening them as judgment must fall on the House of God first, but those blinders are coming off!!!

Here's hoping for your good in the Lord that your blinders will come off before that time comes. If you think I do not care, I would not bother to tell you, but I do care, because I seek your good as well as others in the Lord. Warnings about false prophets are given to believers so as to be ready by heeding His sayings when we build on our faith in Jesus... thereby following Him and remaining in the Light.

You can ignore me by not replying to me anymore... (do note that you have consistently told me not to respond to you, but you keep popping up with posts to me) or... you can take it to Jesus in prayer. I am trying to limit my responses to you since I did brush off the dust off of my feet, but you just keep...

Your argument isn't with me. It is with the Lord Jesus Himself. The moment you stop honoring the Son, you are not honoring the Father (John 5:22,23) , and the Holy Spirit in us is leading us to honor the Son, because Jesus' name is above every other name. Deal with Him. I can only pray for you.

damo1

ro poor in spirit ok poor in spirit i am going to ask for this topic to be clossed as agian you seem to mis understand what peopl are saying i did not want those benny hinn refences ok i said if you have anything against the man you deal with him

now that i see you wil not even listen to what i am saying and think that god needs to deal with me wel i am know leaving this in gods hands as i do not want any one else taken advantage of by you in this topic as i feel this topic is very unhealthy and very negative poor in spirit

please stop twisting my words by bro peace and i hope you see wear you are going wrong i am wrong i am a fool and you are right

take care

from damo

[Vickilynn]

Shalom Poor,

OK, so we know that you believe the KJV to be the ONLY Bible. However, that is your opinion. I do not believe the KJV to be the only accurate Bible. That's one thing. You are making a whole doctrine based on that alone.

We also know that you tell everyone to "discern", yet you yourself are not open to discerning the truth from the Holy Spirit. (That's where discernment comes from BTW.)

Brother, I know you feel you are on a mission to have everyone believe as you believe, but what you espouse here is false doctrine and that's why people are not agreeing with you. I see the Scriptures you've posted, but you have not supported YOUR doctrine by these Scriptures, in fact, you have misused the Scriptures.

I find it very telling that you won't reveal where you got this false doctrine and have the Body examine it in the light of the Scriptures.

Bottom line, you answer to G-d for what you do. You've posted your "warnings," which I have held up against the Scriptures and found your doctrine and your warnings to be false. You can rest now, as you have done your work and given the "warning" you believe you need to.

[poorinspirit]

poorinspirit -

In all the things you have said, you have not convinced me that you actually regard the Holy Spirit (or Holy Ghost if you prefer) as God. I know you have said you do, but I would like to know how you regard Him as God?

For example, I stated that my interpretation of your statements indicate that you have put the Holy Spirit on the same level as angels and demons. I would especially appreciate you clarifying if you do or if you do not regard Him this way. And if you do not, please explain.

hi nebula,

No, I do not regard the Holy Spirit on the same level as angels and demons.

Do you know what the witness factor is?

John 5: 31If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

A true witness is one that bears testimony of another.

John 7: 18He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

So by speaking of oneself.. you seek your own glory which is unrighteousness. If you speak of the One that sent you, then you seek His glory and no unrighteousness is in you.

Now look at the witness factor of the Holy Spirit.

John 16: 13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

If we are led by the Spirit of God... then these verses would make it plainly so as to how.

John 15: 26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

Thus goes to show why as the Divine Witness, the Holy Spirit does not seek to be glorified for He will not speak of Himself, but testify of Jesus Christ and glorify Jesus Christ. If we pray to, worship or glorify the Holy Spirit, then we are not doing what the Holy Spirit in us is leading us to do.

Look at how God will judge.

John 5: 22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Isn't that significant in mentioning that when one does not honor the son, they are not honoring the Father? That is saying the minute you stop honoring the Son... you are not honoring the Father. Since the Holy Spirit is God, He will not lead people to stop honoring the Son. Man will.

Thus it goes to show why the Holy Spirit is not mentioned in these verses regarding glory to God because the indwelling Holy Spirit is leading us to glorify the Son thereby the Father as well.

John 13:31Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. 32If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

John 17: 1These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

So if our focus is distracted by broadening the Way in which the "Holy Spirit" is in the spotlight with Jesus which the Holy Spirit in us would not lead believers to do, then how can anyone say that this?

Philippians 2: 9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Scriptures are written this Way for a reason.

John 5: 39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41I receive not honour from men. 42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Now I know there are errant bible versions out there, but if you really want to know which Bible versions to listen to... are the ones that testify of Jesus Christ the Lord as John 5:39 declares of which you will find in the KJV. I know there are much debate over KJV only stance, but to find the actual meaning of His words to discern the times we live in through prayer to Jesus... go with the KJV.

All I am doing is pointing you to Your Good Shepherd. Scriptures as well as the indwelling Holy Ghost is doing that too. It is just too bad that errant bible versions that points away from Jesus on those verses that says otherwise to Jesus in the KJV and the unscriptural hymnals that points away from Jesus thus ceasing to honor the Son are too common that believers do not take the time to stop and listen to what they are saying in how they do not represent the current faith in Jesus Christ.