Unscriptural Hymnals In Worship

[damo1]

damo1

again with this rubish i am only going to say this once poor in spirit i know who jesus is and you need not to pray for me i hope i am making my self clear hear on what i am saying as i said you are on the prayer list and right now you have people praying that your eyes will be opend to the full truth of gods word

how dare you give me all those refrences you gave me and have the nerve to say what you said for god to show me who jesus is stop greiving the holy spirit poor in spirit you my friend are tredding on a dangerous path hear and i think i am right you are hurt and have not botherd to hear any one out but some how sift threw the bible and just hear what you want to hear

you are blind to what christ did for us on the cross i am going to ask you a question hear what has the holy spirit done to you ?

again you seem to be on this mission trying to preach you are in a position that i would not want to be in and i can tell you honestly poor in spirit you will be dealt with by god as he will shake you up so bad my friend to the point wear you will have no excuse but repent i have noticed you have one person hear alone patting you on the back and saying i understand wear you are coming from

you have not been ordained to preach the gospel poor in spirit as it seems to me you think you can try to correct those that do understand what christ did for us on the cross

i do not sift threw gods word and hear what i only want to hear are you a morman ? are you a jahova wittness ? are you as seven day adventist ? as i know seven day adventists who even mock the holy spirit and make the same foolish state ments as you heck i go to service on a saturday morning wear their are seven day adventists who are spirit filled i do not come down on them and say you should not be having church on a saturday i worship with them and i prasie god for what his son did for me

dont go on this path wear you think you have the gift to correct and say pray for disernment you are the one that needs to be very care full poor in spirit oh and you finaly answer me with out saying their is one person hear i love but i will not answear him and i am praying for god to change the way he thinks

let me say this in english the father the son and the holy spirit work together never against each other it is gods spirit that lives with in me and it is his spirit that guides me threw the bible

stop mocking gods spirit like this and expect that most will come to your way of thinking as this is what i do not like when some one like your self has the nerve to say what you are saying hear to your brothers and sisters in the lord who have been patient who have done nothing but open up to you and have not once come down on you

poor in spirit please stop mocking gods spirit and asking us to pray as you have left your self wide open to be attacked and its you that have been miss led my friend not me

lord right now i lift poor in spirit up to you and right now i ask you to forgive my brother for his foolishness lord help me to love my brother with out getting angry at my brother when he trys to correct me or when he trys to say things that i just find to offensive

lord jesus i ask that you open up to what happend on the cross to poor in spirit and as he reads your living word i pray that he will see that you also care for him help him forgive those that hurt him and guide him to a church that will be a support for my brother as right now lord he needs you to show him who you are in jesus name i ask

peace from damo

[damo1]

damo1

and to your question on what you said in how i seem to listen to benny hinn you my friend have a nerve when i listen to these guys i ask the holy spirit to show me what the message is for me i do not sit on judgment on these guys i pray for them are you jelouse poor in spirit that you are not being beamed into homes all over the world

this man and his team helped my partner in the philippines set up an orphange to wear my partner can even get fuding and also educate these orphans and i see no wrong when it comes to a man like this helping some one else out this man has even set up shelters wear he puts his own money into these shelters that take on kids who have been abanodoned by their own familys i think this man knows him self if he steps out of line if he abuses gods word or his people he will be dealt with who i alow my self to listen too is not of your concern or any one elses concern i make this very clear to you poor in spirit you have a very judgmental spirit and you need to repent for what ever has been done to you poor in spirit this is why i will not listen to you or take on board to what you try to say to me and god has increased me my friend i have a loving partner over seas i have a big family and when ever i give god gives this back to me two fold not once have i gone with out my bils are even met

i do my own research as well poor in spirit and i am not going to alow you to tell me who i should be hearing from

oh i even love billy graham and i even pray for him and his family

my partner has over 7o0 orphans know under her care and this man has done nothing but support my partner should she even repent for singing in his choir when he was in her country ??

you are a very bitter person poor in spirit i wil not tap you on the back like one poster has taped you on the back stop mocking what god is doing threw others you are not ordained or have been given the gift to correct people poor in spirit i do not want to have to keep challanging you poor in spirit

i am even supporting a 10yr old girl who has no mother and father under my partners care and this girl gets the same love i give to my 11yr old boy and all her needs are met just like i make sure my 11yr old boys needs are met

so please tel me poor in spirit have i got a saducing spirit with in me by doing a good deed like this i would like some back up to what you are saying alone to me

peace from damo

[poorinspirit]

Hi nebula!!

That is not what I had posted. People that call for the Holy Spirit to come when He is in them are departing from the faith and opening themselves up to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. Just because the errant believers call the seducing spirits the Holy Spirit, does not make it so. It is the errant believers that would make the Holy Spirit the center of worship, and the indwelling Holy Spirit does not seek it... but that which is in the world will.

Pray for discernment.

Please consider this:

Acts 4

23 And being let go, they went to their own companions and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said to them. 24 So when they heard that, they raised their voice to God with one accord. . . 31 And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.

If they had been indwelt already by the Holy Spirit during Pentecost (Acts 2), how is it that they were filled again with the Holy Spirit? Had they somehow lost that initial filling from 2 chapters previously?

Also please consider this:

Luke 11

11 If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!"

If the children of God are asking the Father for the Holy Spirit, as Jesus said here, how are we opening ourselves up to seducing spirits? Does that not go contrary to what Jesus said here?

Hi nebula!

Those are good questions, but there is an answer. The problem with these verses in the first place is that those whom have these experiences try to fit them into the book of Acts to explain what was happening to them. They read between the lines while ignoring what is plainly stated elsewhere for them to discern by. So when they point to Acts, it is to justify the way they worship in calling for the Holy Spirit to come. Do note, they are not asking the Father like in Luke for the Holy Spirit are they?

But to start in Acts 4, we need to understand that they are describing an event.. not declaring a doctrine. And what is being misread here by those that seek to justify the way they worship in calling for the Holy Ghost to come again.... is that verse after 31....

31And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness. 32And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

New believers. Why point that out? If we doubt it then we go to Ephesians 1:12-14 where they are talking doctrine.

Ephesians 1: 12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

The problem here is that believers that experienced the supernatural are trying to lean on their own understanding to define their experience in the Book of Acts when they should be discerning them by what is plainly written as doctrines of faith. When a charismatic leader showing signs and wonders points to Acts... then they just take him at his word and not asking Jesus at all to discern by His Words written plainly elsewhere.

But let's say nobody wants to accept that there were new believers there. They can argue that it did not say new. I can point out it did not say there were all believers there in the first place when suddenly they went from their own company to the multitudes, huh?

But let's be even more skeptical about what is written. Let's say that they were all believers...and that there were no unbelievers among them. We see in verse 31....And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness. Now let's compare that verse with the one earlier in the chapter.

Acts 4: 8Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,

Could it be that the significance of this noting that they that were assembled together were filled with the Holy Spirit as in when they spake the word of God with boldness... it was not by man but the Lord putting the words on their mouths to speak? Look at verse 8 above again before reading on.

Matthew 10: 17But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

1 Corinthians 2:3And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

So we could say that in the Book of Acts, they were mentioning that they were filled with the Holy Spirit so that when they spoke, no one reading would think they were speaking their words.

In all respect, I can't denounce that concept in favor over there not being new believers BUT I can denounce that the Holy Spirit fell on them, because it did not say it fell on them. It just said the place was shaken. I say that because it is an event described NOT something to declare an experience to make doctrines out of as we have His words to go by elsewhere in regards to doctrines of faith.... stated plainly as in... giving instructions to the churches... matters of faith... as in Ephesians 1:12-15... and Jesus' own words in John 14:6,15-21.

I'm sure there are more mysteries in the book of Acts... but when you look at these "justification" for this type of worship, how then can one discern from seducing spirits in the world? How is it not a doctrine of the devil when they call for it again and again? How is it the world receive not the Holy Spirit for they seeth it not.... but we shall know Him.. how? By Him being in us as promised. His invitation are His commandments in receiving that promise.

John 14: 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.....15If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Now the coming and going of the Holy Ghost while Jesus was with them was because He had not ascended yet. They were not a new creation yet.

Mark 2: 21No man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse. 2And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.

2 Corinthians 5: 17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Colossians 2: 5For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Now if you think of a continual filling in light of this, it would seem to make a liar of these words plainly stated, but I know they are of the faith. If one believes a continual filling is necessary that they need more of the Holy Spirit in that they are not complete in Him thus hungering for more of God... then look at this promise in His invitation again.

John 6: 35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

I'm sure there are more questions in the book of Acts, but if properly read, it does not endorse that one calls for the Holy Spirit.. let alone Him falling on us again and again.

So don't listen to those that hang unto their supernatural experience in declaring why it happened and relating it to some obscure passage in the book of Acts in between the lines. In discerning matters of faith plainly stated... look to the instructions given to the churches to discern supernatural experiences... or Jesus' own words... and promises. I was in one event and I got pushed behind three times by an unseen hand and no one was sitting anywhere near me to do it. How does that edify me? Do I change the way I worship by setting aside seeking His face and revel of being pushed behind three times again? Oh wow. But yet, it is the same thing when others declare something even MORE spectacular to them. The only thing that changed is the way they worship..broadening the Way "instead of Christ" which is what the definition of the antichrist means. So the call to strive ye to enter through that strait gate is need to be declare here and that is Whom the Holy Spirit inside of you is STILL pointing to: Jesus Christ the Lord.

[poorinspirit]

The Holy Spirit does not just point to Christ. The Holy Spirit is the very Life of God that dwells in man.

Hi ruck1,

That may be so as colorful as that sounds although I do not find scriptures that would describe Him as such in that way although I am sure you can make the connection, but in context with what I am saying if the Holy Spirit is pointing to Jesus Christ... then why are people not looking to Whom He is pointing to? I mean as far as the false accusations that I am ignoring the Holy Spirit of the Trinity, people that point to the Holy Spirit are not looking to Whom the Holy Spirit is pointing to.

What's wrong with looking at both?

Hi kat8585,

Because there are seducing spirits in the world that would love to share in the spotlight with Christ and the take it off of Him to glorify itself in its visitations... thus stealing the worship in the assembly.

1 John 4: 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

1 John 2: 18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

1 Timothy 4: 1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Matthew 24: 23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before. 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

2 Corinthians 13: 5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Romans 13: 11And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. 12The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. 13Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness,...

Ephesians 5: 10Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

2 Timothy 4: 1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

And a part of that faith is the Holy Spirit is in us seeking to glorify Jesus Christ and leading us to do the same...otherwise.... we are not keeping the faith as it is His name above every other name.

Philippians 2: 9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

[poorinspirit]

Hi Poorinspirit,

When I pray I pray in Jesus name, Sometimes I ask in prayer that Father God fill me to overflowing with His Holy Spirit that I might be a good ambassador for Him. Or whatever I feel the need of an infilling o the spirit for. I most certainly am not opening myself up to demons as I am praying to Father God. God guides me using His Holy Spirit He is after all our comforter and is to guide us daily. We should know who He is and not ignore Him. I am not talking about praying to the Holy Spirit, I have already said I pray to God in Jesus name.

Does this make sense. There is also another post where the question asked was In what name do you pray, I think all answered in Jesus name.

Hi Carol,

It is kind of hard to keep up with all the postings in this thread. Sorry I did not get to you sooner.

Well, if I may share with you why you should never feel you need to be filled and thus rest in Jesus Christ that you are filled....

Matthew 9: 17Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

2 Corinthians 5: 17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Colossians 2: 5For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Ephesians 1: 12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints, 16Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; 17That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

So you are a new creature in Christ... not a leaky vessel where you need to be filled again and again. Isn't that great news! What a resting place we have in Christ Jesus!! No more thirsting nor hungering for more of the Holy Spirit because.... of this promise for coming to Jesus.

John 6: 35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

[poorinspirit]

So there is the need for discernment by His Words in what is going on in some of the churches today... and the hymnals that are errant are pointing them in that direction of the broad way.

As I have already pointed out, most of the hymns are simply asking the Holy Spirit to continue to work in them, to continue to operate in their lives.

I would also refrain from implying that those who sing or who wrote those hymns, are not really in the faith. You have posted a number of Scriptures which frankly, you have taken from their context and applied them inappropriately to this issue. In doing so, you are using the Bible in a manner that you do not have the right or authority to use it.

I saw nothing in the hymns that was unscriptural or "errant." You have, up to this not really provided much support to your assertion that they are in fact, errant or unscriptural. You have simply made the assertion and operated from the assumption that it is true. It is clear that you have not really put this assumption to any objective test in order to judge its accuracy.

And yet asking the Holy Spirit is not the right way. That is climbing up another way. Jesus is the Door. Jesus is the Shepherd.

Singing those songs do not reflect our faith presently.

An objective test would be to see how a small leaven... leavens a whole lump. Ever hear of the Toronto Blessing? Or how about the Pensacola Outpouring? That is the whole lump. You try to correct anyone in that, they will point to that which you say is okay to do. Without that line of discernment, you cannot discern seducing spirits then. That is why we must strive to enter through that strait gate. Jesus is that strait gate.

If you see this as an argument, then I am going to stop sharing with you. It is not on me to convince you since you seem to see His Words as just filling pages instead of seeing why He said what He said... so that we can discern... at least that is how you are treating what I have shared with the scriptures as if not applicable to the topic at hand, but it is. And yes.. I am using it appropriately by the grace of God.

Still... if you do not hear His Words, you will not hear mine. Praying for ya.

[poorinspirit]

What difference does any sermon make? If a sermon was on getting a divorce is not an unforgiveable sin... does anybody discern that or do we just let that slide? If so... then the next one... committing suicide is not an unforgiveable sin. When does one stand up to correct? So a song can go astray as much as a sermon can. And just because an errant sermon or doctrine is recorded in history, one thinks none of that hersey will influence and creep its thinking into the hymnals. So yes... there is a need to even discern the hymnals as much as published doctrines.

May the Lord cause the increase for I cannot.

Poor, I've really been trying to hang in there and understand the connection you are trying to make. I'm still not succeeding.

But, do you really believe that getting a divorce is an unforgiveable sin? If so, it's time for me to start telling you to pray for discernment, as you have been so bluntly telling us all to do.

The example of that was towards a pastor giving grace to sin as in the next thing after the divorce statement would be.. suicide is not an unforgiveable sin. See, when said at first about divorce, no one object because it is a partial truth in that God will forgive sin, but God did not give that pastor the right to give grace to sin. Thus the point about the suicide remark. The pastor should not tell people to go ahead and do it. See? Anyway, the need for correction is so that no one takes what the pastor said about divorce and take it to the next step like suicide before someone stand up to correct so as to save that believer's life. And there are verses in the Bible for instructions to those going through trying times to help prevent a divorce if applicable rather than just casting out a statement like that by the pastor from the pulpit for a couple to chuck it on the grounds that they will be forgiven. Just as there are verses in the Bible for those considering suicide to look for comfort and hope in His Words... to give Jesus a chance... which would be the same for those christian couples considering a divorce when applicable.

So as words in a song can be out of sinc with reflecting the faith of the believer singing it presently, so can statements taken out of sinc like that sermon to use God's grace to commit sin.

And to be clear... no, I do not believe that divorce is an unforgiveable sin. I just don't believe a pastor should say that from the pulpit.

[Vickilynn]

Shalom Poor,

Your posts get stranger and stranger.

I am so concerned about you, I really am. I am praying for you to really see the truth.

Listen, did you know this:

You can ONLY "discern" by the Holy Spirit.

You toss that word around, but let's look at what it REALLY means and WHERE we get discernment.

1 Thessalonians

19 Quench not the Spirit.

20Despise not prophesyings.

21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Romans 8:

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

1 Corinthians 2

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

[poorinspirit]

Hi Vickilynn,

Wrong. The Holy Spirit IS G-D. We are not glorifying Him alone, but the Triune G-dhead.

And yet the even some of the titles of thses hymnals are addressing the Holy Spirit alone thus glorifying Him alone.

And you did not discern those books by the word of God, did you? Someone once told me that a cult is when they tell you nine truths and slip in one lie, then it becomes a cult. so pray

So, you're saying that because I don't agree with you that I am in a cult? You are simply preaching false doctrine.

No. That is taking what I said a step further. I was asking you to discern those books you have read in light of the fact how a cult operates in slipping a lie.

Please address the COMMAND not to speak ill of the Holy Spirit. You are sinning here.

You need to consider that the Scriptures FORBID the speaking against the Holy Spirit, as you are doing:

Matt. 12:32, "And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come."

So tell me how you test the spirits to see if it is of God or not when anyone can just say... no no.. that is the Holy Spirit! You can't do that! ???

And no, Scripture does not back you up since you are not interpreting Scripture correctly by saying we should not worship the Holy Spirit.

Oh yes, I am. You can't worship the Holy Spirit cause He is in you. To look for Him in the worship place is to allow seducing spirits to steal the spotlight and that is why all invitations points to Jesus.

Please, pray for discernment and with an open mind and heart, READ the Scriptures and references I posted. You will see that Scripture does not back up your doctrine.

What? By forbidding me to declare the role of the Holy Ghost and the will of God in regards to the scriptures to honor Jesus Christ and glorify Him thereby the Father in Heaven as we ought to?

What if a person began frothing at the mouth in the worship service? You are giving out three choices. The person is having a grand maltese. The person is possessed by a demon but that would be dangerous because the third choice could be... the Holy Spirit is working on him... thus the second choice will never be considered. Do we call the ambulance and risk offending the Holy Spirit or...?? I hope that is not happening in your church, but seriously.. it has happened... and they left them alone.

FYI, there is nothing wrong or sinful about learning from other books as long as they line up with the Word of G-d. Again,

As long as you ask the Lord for wisdom by discerning through His words because we are to ask for wisdom in understanding His words. So no slacking there....

I'm glad you feel that way, but in fact, the Holy Spirit leads us through His Word and the KJV is not any better in my opinion than the ESV or NASB. But, you are welcome to use the KJV if you like. It isn't any holier or any more accurate, but if you like it, enjoy. It holds nothing for me, I don't like it.

Well... I just showed why I prefer it below. So you are like telling me that you don't like it because it is too hard to understand but yet the Lord can help you understand the other versions? Hmmm....

Now see? Here is why I go to the KJV.

Ephesians 5: 18And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Even in the KJV it says what I posted: but be filled with the Spirit

We as Believers should be filled continually to overflowing with the Holy Spirit in our lives and we only do this by surrendering our will. Paul states it quite clearly in the KJV AND the ESV. Same words, same meaning. It is a continual filling.

Nope. It is not. You are a new creature in Christ.... not a leaky vessel... thus you are filled as we are called to remain filled as oppose to sowing in the flesh as in being drunk with wine as in excess, but regardless... you are filled as in saved as in sealed as in His. What you are doing is not resting in Jesus. Continual filling in the life of the believer is not of the faith.

I leave you to the Lord since it is obvious you have made up your mind on this.

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BUT I can denounce that the Holy Spirit fell on them, because it did not say it fell on them.

Well, poor in spirit, with all due respect, you lost me where you called the Holy Spirit an "it."