The Heretical Commitments To Christ

[damo1]

damo1

to poor in spirit

you finaly answer me and then come up with some silly twisters man wear are you coming from hear is one twister poor in spirit as it must be from the gospel of poor in spirit as its not from the livng word i have

i asked you a simple question poor in spirit and i said this how many people have you led to the kingdom

when talking to a sinner i said this how do you share who jesus is to you how do you lead a person threw the sinners prayer and you said to me dont know

and then you want to try and twist what i say poor in spirit every time i apply to one of your posts what i do for copy of what i say i print it from my printer in my study and i store this in my folder with marking poor in spirits preaching

i said to you was jesus death in vain then no responce

i also said are we then to just sit back and not worry about the lost or those around us and just let every one go to hell

you poor in spirit are a very confuesd man and i feel one day my friend you are going to run into some one who is going to openly challange you

i have had this happen sevral times and not once have i been let down as i know how strong my faith is in the lord

i had one guy try this only a month ago and when ever i depend on the holy spirit to give me what to say it just amazes me how silent these people who seem to just want to mock what i belive in react

its as if a light is turned on and i love leading some one to the lord as i know when i pull a person ouit of the enemys camp poor in spirit gods angels and jesus and even god rejoice i just love seeing the holy spirit convict a person

as i need not to say a thing but just alow my self to be an open vessel

when you come to my other posts that i left do not twist my words poor in spirit as i feel you are one of these guys that wil run

this is why i asked you how firm is your faith in the lord as too me it seem very unstable bud by the way you just place your words

by by bud thanks for the inspired teaching from the gopsel of poor in spirit

peace from damo

[poorinspirit]

Hi nebula,

OK - but . . .

You did not answer the other question:

I have known many people who believe in Jesus as their Savior but do not submit to Him as Lord.

What would you say to this?

Hi nebula,

Missed that question. Yep, I did. And I was looking right at that post. Getting old.

The problem with that question, nebula, is how can you judge that? Do you really think by slapping a commitment to Christ will allow Jesus to be Lord over them? If it is really about a relationship, we can encourage one another, correct one another, rebuke one another, or even exhort one another to do good, but to look for a quick fix and say... make a commitment to Christ as if that will show that Jesus is Lord over them.. will not do it. All that results from looking to other means to get men obedient is not believing in Jesus as being their Good Shepherd. You are seeking that commitment to Christ to be "lord" over them. That is not the same as trusting Jesus to be their Good Shepherd... nor getting them to look to Jesus to help them live as His.

Jesus is Lord no matter what anyway as every knee shall bow and every tongue confess. So like faith in healing and Jesus refers to heaking as the same as forgiving sins... what do you think He would appreciate our faith when we point those to Christ to be their Good Shepherd?

In Revelation, Jesus rebuked 5 of the 7 churches for their sin - things they did that were not pleasing to Him. In several parables, people were "cast into outer darkness" not for lack of belief but for deeds they did or did not do.

Do you understand this?

Note, I am not claiming salvation on works; however, salvation should be evidenced by our deeds, and our deeds do involve choices.

Sometimes the deeds they do reflects on that faith as in voiding it in Him as being able. Other deeds are just simply sowing to the flesh and reaping corruption.

But all in all.... what do you say to someone that is a slave to sin as scriptures say that sinners are? If Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil in our lives so that we should no longer live in sin, would that not also include He will help us live as His.. leading us away from temptation, and delivering us from the evil one? A relationship of trust in the Lord will never have anyone be found ashamed. Sometimes, we need to look above the storms to Jesus and see He is able not only as the saviour but as the Good Shepherd as well. He will help us do good works as we trust Him to help others do good works as well, but looking to a commitment made by man will not do it. Jesus will do it.

Ephesians 2: 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

[damo1]

damo1

to poor in spirit again with the twisted preaching so you seem to think that my friend i openly shared to you about and i said should she become bitter or just put her trust in jesus knowing one day she wil be thrown in jail hear is your repsonce

this just showes me as a man also how insensative you are poor in spirit

may be she is if she is casting the guantlet to make a comment to christ i dont know i am not their

you are one lost soul as you do not know what the word means to suffer or the word stand firm in your faith

you could not tel me what matthew 5 meant but had thrown some twisted one liners and then have the nerve to tell me i need to hear the good news

my female friend poor in spirit is a good fearing women and to hear what is coming out of your mouth it has shown me that this is not gods spirit

as i said i dare you to go into one of these country wear our brothers and sisters in the lord are being persecuted and then see how strong your faith is when being faced in front off an angry crowed or falsly charged

i am not talking on the rapture when i stated about the missonerys in india are suffering yet you throw me verses that i have marked in my own bible about the rapture

you said you are not perfect yet it seem to me you feel that you are and just are not wiling to talk to us but some how you come on an attac

every time you are questioned poor in spirit you throw out ridles with out saying what we are asking you to say

please poor in spirit from the gospel of poor in spirit and in your own words please explaine this to me as i would like to know what this means

god be willing we shall meet again but if not i shall still be leaving you to the lord may god help me

which god are you praying to why do you think that i need to hear the good news why do you feel poor in spirit that you are sent to guide me back to jesus so by what you are saying when i said the sinners prayer when i got baptized in 1988 that i have a domic spirit in me and by the gospel of poor in spirt i need to get rid of my new international version and my spirit filled open study bible

and read only from how do i put it to wear i know this wil get up your nose i need to by my self the gospel of poor in spirit which is the kings james version sorry bud but you are just one man that just makes me crack up

i mean how on earth is a normal person going to understand you when it comes to leading a soul that has been lost back into the light ?

thanks bud by i am so inspired by your word that i am just going to have to down load this and then ring my pastor and let him hear this so he can just have a good old laugh

thank you so much poor in spirit

peace from damo

[poorinspirit]

Hi FresnoJoe,

The Heretical Commitments To Christ

Is It Real Or Is It Memorex?

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:John 10:27

Warnings are given to believers about false prophets. He does not seek any to be left behind, but yes.. those He knows that hears His voice and heed His sayings will follow Him, and they do not need a man made bondage or a decision of the flesh to make that happen.

Behold the commitment of Peter... no no Lord.. I would never deny you!! What happened?

The whole point is no matter how much the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak therefore what is impossible with man.. is possible with God. So where is that faith in Him? For without faith, it is impossible to please Him. Do you look to a sinner to making a commitment to Christ when he is a slave to sin? Then why do you look to a believer to finish what the Lord started by faith?

So is your faith in Him real or not?

To Weed Or To Obey?

But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.Matthew 13:29-30

Thanks... I do take comfort in that the Lord is able to keep a few from following the crowd in churches, but here are these verses as well.

1 Corinthians 5: 11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

My Commitment

[5] Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass. And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday.Psalms 37:5-6

When you say My Commitment... it does not matches up with commit in the verse for it means entrust.

My Rest

[7] Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass. Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.Psalms 37:7-8

I shall be dropping this soon also, but it is showing love for one another to warn. I shall also be leaving WorthyBoards... God help me.

What Fun!

Thank You PoorInSpirit.

Seeing where the Lord delivered me from, it was no fun where I was. I can only hope that those that suffer needlessly because of mountainous yokes and rollercoaster rides of the Spirit will find their resting place in Jesus.

Thanks for sharing that song. It is one of my favorites.

In Christ's Love,

poorinspirit

[nebula]

Hi nebula,

I have known many people who believe in Jesus as their Savior but do not submit to Him as Lord.

What would you say to this?

Missed that question. Yep, I did. And I was looking right at that post. Getting old.

Thank-you for answering!

The problem with that question, nebula, is how can you judge that?

Beyond "judging a tree by its fruit," it is not my job nor your job nor anyone else's job to judge the hearts of man. That is the job of the Lord.

Jeremiah 17:10 - I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Do you really think by slapping a commitment to Christ will allow Jesus to be Lord over them? If it is really about a relationship, we can encourage one another, correct one another, rebuke one another, or even exhort one another to do good, but to look for a quick fix and say... make a commitment to Christ as if that will show that Jesus is Lord over them.. will not do it. All that results from looking to other means to get men obedient is not believing in Jesus as being their Good Shepherd. You are seeking that commitment to Christ to be "lord" over them. That is not the same as trusting Jesus to be their Good Shepherd... nor getting them to look to Jesus to help them live as His.

How do you make Jesus your Lord without a commitment? When you say, "I am yours, Lord," are you not making a commitment to Him? When you follow Him as the Good Shepherd, have you not commited yourself to following Him?

Jesus is Lord no matter what anyway as every knee shall bow and every tongue confess. So like faith in healing and Jesus refers to heaking as the same as forgiving sins... what do you think He would appreciate our faith when we point those to Christ to be their Good Shepherd?

"Good Shepherd" is only one of Jesus' titles/names.

He is also:

Advocate (1 John 2:1)

Almighty (Rev. 1:8; Mt. 28:18)

Alpha and Omega (Rev. 1:8; 22:13)

Amen (Rev. 3:14)

Apostle of our Profession (Heb. 3:1)

Atoning Sacrifice for our Sins (1 John 2:2)

Author of Life (Acts 3:15)

Author and Perfecter of our Faith (Heb. 12:2)

Author of Salvation (Heb. 2:10)

Beginning and End (Rev. 22:13)

Blessed and only Ruler (1 Tim. 6:15)

Bread of God (John 6:33)

Bread of Life (John 6:35; 6:48)

Bridegroom (Mt. 9:15)

Capstone (Acts 4:11; 1 Pet. 2:7)

Chief Cornerstone (Eph. 2:20)

Chief Shepherd (1 Pet. 5:4)

Christ (1 John 2:22)

Creator (John 1:3)

Deliverer (Rom. 11:26)

Eternal Life (1 John 1:2; 5:20)

Gate (John 10:9)

Faithful and True (Rev. 19:11)

Faithful Witness (Rev. 1:5)

Faithful and True Witness (Rev. 3:14)

First and Last (Rev. 1:17; 2:8; 22:13)

Firstborn From the Dead (Rev. 1:5)

Firstborn over all creation (Col. 1:15)

Gate (John 10:9)

God (John 1:1; 20:28; Heb. 1:8; Rom. 9:5; 2 Pet. 1:1;1 John 5:20; etc.)

Good Shepherd (John 10:11,14)

Great Shepherd (Heb. 13:20)

Great High Priest (Heb. 4:14)

Head of the Church (Eph. 1:22; 4:15; 5:23)

Heir of all things (Heb. 1:2)

High Priest (Heb. 2:17)

Holy and True (Rev. 3:7)

Holy One (Acts 3:14)

Hope (1 Tim. 1:1)

Hope of Glory (Col. 1:27)

Horn of Salvation (Luke 1:69)

I Am (John 8:58)

Image of God (2 Cor. 4:4)

Immanuel (Mt. 1:23)

Judge of the living and the dead (Acts 10:42)

King Eternal (1 Tim. 1:17)

King of Israel (John 1:49)

King of the Jews (Mt. 27:11)

King of kings (1 Tim 6:15; Rev. 19:16)

King of the Ages (Rev. 15:3)

Lamb (Rev. 13:8)

Lamb of God (John 1:29)

Lamb Without Blemish (1 Pet. 1:19)

Last Adam (1 Cor. 15:45)

Life (John 14:6; Col. 3:4)

Light of the World (John 8:12)

Lion of the Tribe of Judah (Rev. 5:5)

Living One (Rev. 1:18)

Living Stone (1 Pet. 2:4)

Lord (2 Pet. 2:20)

Lord of All (Acts 10:36)

Lord of Glory (1 Cor. 2:8)

Lord of lords (Rev. 19:16)

Man from Heaven (1 Cor. 15:48)

Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb. 9:15)

Mighty God (Isa. 9:6)

Morning Star (Rev. 22:16)

Offspring of David (Rev. 22:16)

Only Begotten Son of God (John 1:18; 1 John 4:9)

Our Great God and Savior (Titus 2:13)

Our Holiness (1 Cor. 1:30)

Our Husband (2 Cor. 11:2)

Our Protection (2 Thess. 3:3)

Our Redemption (1 Cor. 1:30)

Our Righteousness (1 Cor. 1:30)

Our Sacrificed Passover Lamb (1 Cor. 5:7)

Power of God (1 Cor. 1:24)

Precious Cornerstone (1 Pet. 2:6)

Prophet (Acts 3:22)

Rabbi (Mt. 26:25)

Resurrection and Life (John 11:25)

Righteous Branch (Jer. 23:5)

Righteous One (Acts 7:52; 1 John 2:1)

Rock (1 Cor. 10:4)

Root of David (Rev. 5:5; 22:16)

Ruler of God

[poorinspirit]

Hi Vickilynn,

You do notice that you are not defending the faith, but defending a practise of man, right?

Shalom Poor,

Absolutely not. False doctrine. Commiting ourselves and our ways to G-d is what He wants from us. We are to trust Him to help us to do that. You are speaking double-talk Poor. The Bible plainly says the opposite of what you're preaching. You need to discern the Word and hear from the Holy SPirit.

In consideration of your KJV-only stance, these verses are from the KJV.

Psalm 37

5 Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.

Proverbs 16:

3 Commit your work to the LORD,

and your plans will be established.

We are to follow Jesus by faith. Following Him by that commitment made by man.. is not of faith.

Double-talk. Read the Scriptures. They say to commit our ways to Him and trust Him in faith. I'll take the Bible over your opinion any day.

We are to call false preachers out and expose their false doctrine.

Psalm 37 use of commit is entrust as in He will.

Proverbs use of the word commit is I will.

KJV use of the word commit is to entrust as far as the New Testament goes.

Scriptures testify of Jesus. As far as the New Testament goes.. this is His turn now.. not man's.

Commiting ourselves and our ways to God by making a commitment to do so speaks of you.

Because of His Covenant to us, He is asking us to believe on Him.

John 6: 28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Matthew 5: 33Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Now note verse 36. He does not want you making any promises that are His to keep because you can't make one hair white or black. He can.

If you make the promise.. it is on you to do it.

Numbers 30:2If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.

You have to do all of it. The Lord cannot help you keep your vow when you said you were going to do it. Why is that important? Because God has made the New Covenant with us declaring He will do it. Do you believe Him or not because without faith, it is impossible to please Him. Either you trust him.. or you believe more is required than faith in Him to live that christian life.

Ecclesiates 5: 1Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil. 2Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few. 3For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words. 4When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed. 5Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay. 6Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error: wherefore should God be angry at thy voice, and destroy the work of thine hands? 7For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.

And as if making a commitment to Christ was not enough... in comes on top of it, the Promise Keepers' program. Truly... they are forgetting that if righteousness could have come by these means... Christ has died in vain.

Either you believe and trust the Lord that He is going to do it because of the Covenant He has made with you or.. you believe man must do it by his commitment to Christ.

Psalm 50: 14Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High: 15And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me. 16But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth? 17Seeing thou hatest instruction, and casteth my words behind thee. 18When thou sawest a thief, then thou consentedst with him, and hast been partaker with adulterers. 19Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit. 20Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother's son. 21These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes. 22Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver. 23Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

What is lacking in His Covenant below that we need to tack our filthy rags of righteousness over His?

Hebrews 8: 6But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

It is all about faith in Jesus that He will help you live as His. He will do it. Do you believe that or not?

[poorinspirit]

Well.....er.....I am glad I didn't get involved in this drama, because it is going nowhere..

I don't know where poor is going with this, but I do know that until you reach the point that you have a personal relationship with with Jesus Christ and committed yourself to following Him and putting 100% of your life in his hands, you will have no rest.

in one post,poor, you asked,

How would you say that you are standing fast in the liberty in which Christ has set us free and that you are not in any way shape or form in bondage?

Are you suggesting that when we commit our lives to the Lord, we are under some sort of bondage?

If you entrust your lives to the Lord...no.. that is not a bondage.

Read the others responses and you will see that commitment is a bondage as it declares what man will do.

Faith apart from that commitment as in apart from the law or the flesh.... declares what He will do.

[Guest]

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:9-10

I can only hope that those that suffer needlessly because of mountainous yokes and rollercoaster rides of the Spirit will find their resting place in Jesus.

The Comforter

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 15:26

The Hope

For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Galatians 5:5

The Seal

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 1:13

Dear Brother Please Stop Mocking God The Holy Ghost

Unwise

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Ephesians 4:30

I Fear For Your Sanity And I Pray For Your Peace

Peace Little Brother

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 5:22

May The LORD God Jesus Christ Be The Apple Of Your Eye

Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

2 Timothy 2:19

And His Godhood Be Your Strength

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 9:6

Isn't He Wonderful

Wonderful Isn't He

So Stand Fast

Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

Philippians 1:27

Dear Brother Mine

Do Not Be Discouraged

Ask God To Show Himself To You.

He Is Wondrous To Behold And Faithful To Preform All He Promises.

Be Blessed Beloved Of The Lamb Of God

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Vickilynn]

Shalom Poor,

The Scriptures are clear. Your assertion that we are not to commit to the L-rd is false, as the Scriptures declare otherwise. We ARE to commit, He commands it. And we are to trust HIM to work it out in us. He desires our commitment, our willing heart to serve Him, our belief and our willingness to walk out that belief. For faith without works is dead. We are to "work out our salvation." We are to do all we can do, as He leads us. We are to commit ourselves, our ways and trust Him to work it out in us. THAT Poor, is sound doctrine. What you are preaching is not.

Faith without works is dead. Discern the Word through the Holy Spirit and read these words from the KJV:

James 2

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

[poorinspirit]

Hi nebula,

Be leaving soon... yep.

Beyond "judging a tree by its fruit," it is not my job nor your job nor anyone else's job to judge the hearts of man. That is the job of the Lord.

Wait a minute....

You responding to my post after I was responding to this about how you can judge that.

I have known many people who believe in Jesus as their Savior but do not submit to Him as Lord. What would you say to this?

If what you say above is true.. what place has a commitment over a man if it is the Lord's job?

Jeremiah 17:10 - I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

How do you make Jesus your Lord without a commitment? When you say, "I am yours, Lord," are you not making a commitment to Him? When you follow Him as the Good Shepherd, have you not commited yourself to following Him?

Jesus is Lord regardless. When you say.. I am yours... that is surrendering... as in I can't do it, but I trust in You and Your word to me that You will help me live as His.. thus the just shall live by faith.

But all in all.... what do you say to someone that is a slave to sin as scriptures say that sinners are?

It is not my job to sort the wheat from the tares.

I am talking about when you present the Gospel. Declaring hope in Christ is alot different than looking to the sinner to make a commitment to Christ.

If Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil in our lives so that we should no longer live in sin, would that not also include He will help us live as His.. leading us away from temptation, and delivering us from the evil one?

I'm not denying this.

There are two principles here, and they must work together. Yes, it is He who works in us, but we need to be active in obeying His leading. Yes, we will fail, but if we are complacent about convicted sin, are we not denying the Cross of Christ in our lives?

they go hand in hand.

If you are trusting Jesus to enable you to live as His... you will not be speaking of your commitment but your faith in Him.

Ephesians 2: 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

And likewise:

James 2:17 - Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

James was addressing believers that were abusing the faith by saying to the poor in sending them away to be warmed and to be filled.,... like a doctor send patients away from the free clinic.. be healed and be whole. They were excercising this verbalisation of faith in having God take care of the poor but they would not depart from what was collected to feed the poor and the naked... thus what does thier faith "profit" the poor? Again.. how does saying that "save" them.. the poor? So as they were unwilling to share what was collected to meet the needs of the poor to share in that faith that God will provide for tomorrow, their faith was dead to the poor.

Commitments to show how serious man is voids faith in Jesus as being able to help those that cannot help themselves. We must abstain from all appearances of evil if we follow Jesus by faith and not by religious strivings. This is why the poor in spirit are blessed... they have come to the end of themselves and know they cannot save themselves... they cannot do good... and they are looking to the One that can. Over and over.. all I have read is... the just shall live by faith. Yes.. we follow Him... but by faith.