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[ted]

The point being, as Ted touched upon, is it is sin. And sin infects all parts of society. Homosexuality is a vile abomination in God's sight. If you are not for God, then you are against God. No matter how PC this world becomes, God's word will still stand and not change. You are either fighting for God, or, by default, fighting for the devil. There is no middle ground. All lukewarm Christians who are indifferent to God's holy law will be spewed from his mouth. You cannot please man and God. A house divided against itself cannot stand.

Choose this day whom you will serve.

Sin is sin, but its been my experience that people tend to worry about the sins that personally bother them much more than the sins that seem to have the worst effects on society. For example, some people tend to worry about homosexuality (mentioned a handful of times in scripture), much more than they worry about greed, materialism, and indifference (one of the most common subjects in scripture) even though it far more strongly infects our society.

Sin is sin, and people seem to be talking about the sin of homosexuality here in this thread because it's the main topic of the thread.

If you stayed in the Prophesy threads for months on end, you would come to the same conclusion regarding prophesy.

Anyway, it is a hot issue now due to the changing laws in the country. Of course it's a hot issue! We now have a struggle to challenge yet another shift in society which further places Christians in jeopardy of violating newer laws concerning "hate".

So, it certainly looks like homosexuality has become something which people worry about these days, but it's mostly due to growing pains and getting used to the abomination of homsexuality being thrust into the forefront of society. Fifty years ago, there was little concern over the possibility of homosexual second grade teachers in our public schools. Today, it is a valid concern.

Greed, materialism, and indifference are subjects which everyone already have been subjected to in society. Open homosexuality is something which is relatively new to the scene in American culture, compared to the other sins you listed, on such a scale.

What do you concern yourself with more at your house, the weeds in the lawn which have been there forever or the skunk which has been in your garage for the past few hours or so?

t.

[Guest LadyC]

my apologies thoughtful, for confusing you with burning ember. i just woke up. but i had just read a post by you (i guess in another thread) which struck me as yet another thing in which you defend sinfulness that oppose speaking God's truth, so i guess when i read BE's post, i still had you on my mind.

but to correct myself, BE, you should look up the definition of racism. homosexuals are not a race.

[Guest LadyC]

what kind of issue could possibly be more pressing than that of another human being facing eternity in hell?

[OneLight]

lets focus on things we can fix.

We can fix nothing. All we can do is be a light onto this generation so that their sin is brought out of the darkness and into the light so it can be recognized. To do this, we need to live the life God has put in front of us. Be an example. Show them the love of God that we have in us. Love them and accept them for who they are, as Jesus did with every one of us when we came to Him. Allow the Spirit to show you how to handle the situation as you enter it. This is done on a one-to-one basis. Find a sinner and help them. God does the condemning, not us. I agree that not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" is a Christian. Even more reason to reach them through Love. They are seeking God, even if what they are following is a god that they have made. Yet, they are searching. We need to allow the Spirit to show us how to work with them so they can see the real Truth.

Step down from your soapboxes and get rid of the megaphones. Speak easily and in love to the one you are sent to help.

In Christs Love,

OneLight

[Guest LadyC]

thoughtful, what makes you think i (or others here) don't share Jesus or try to lead abusers, drug addicts, theifs, sexually promiscuous teens, etc?

see this is what happens everytime the discussion of homosexuality gets brought up. people start throwing about accusations and assumptions that those who take a stand against THIS sin don't take an equal stand against other sins. this is simply not true, and all you have to do is search the subject titles in this forum, and read the threads regarding drunk drivers, adulterers, people who shack up, people who peddle dope, abortion, etc., to see that the same people who speak out against homosexuality are the same ones speaking up against other sins that separate us from God.

[OneLight]

lets focus on things we can fix.

We can fix nothing. All we can do is be a light onto this generation so that their sin is brought out of the darkness and into the light so it can be recognized. To do this, we need to live the life God has put in front of us. Be an example. Show them the love of God that we have in us. Love them and accept them for who they are, as Jesus did with every one of us when we came to Him. Allow the Spirit to show you how to handle the situation as you enter it. This is done on a one-to-one basis. Find a sinner and help them. God does the condemning, not us. I agree that not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" is a Christian. Even more reason to reach them through Love. They are seeking God, even if what they are following is a god that they have made. Yet, they are searching. We need to allow the Spirit to show us how to work with them so they can see the real Truth.

Step down from your soapboxes and get rid of the megaphones. Speak easily and in love to the one you are sent to help.

In Christs Love,

OneLight

That's a very depressing though, OneLight, and i completely disagree. If we can fix nothing, there is no hope. Only hope of one day going to heaven, which is the most selfish thought i've heard yet. We have to be pro-active.

Can't you see that only God can fix things? Being pro-active is exactly what I wrote above. One on one is the most pro-active you can be. Why is that so depressing? Are you looking to yourself to fix things or looking to Jesus to fix it through you?

[Guest LadyC]

pro-active means we share the light of truth with others rather than hiding our light under a bushel.

[ted]

thoughtful, what makes you think i (or others here) don't share Jesus or try to lead abusers, drug addicts, theifs, sexually promiscuous teens, etc?

see this is what happens everytime the discussion of homosexuality gets brought up. people start throwing about accusations and assumptions that those who take a stand against THIS sin don't take an equal stand against other sins. this is simply not true, and all you have to do is search the subject titles in this forum, and read the threads regarding drunk drivers, adulterers, people who shack up, people who peddle dope, abortion, etc., to see that the same people who speak out against homosexuality are the same ones speaking up against other sins that separate us from God.

Breathe LadyC. I never said you didnt, or others didnt. I am, and always have been, talking about Christianity as a whole, as a group. I know how the American eye sees us. Its great that people are so opinionated, its diverse, but i will venture to say that some on this website who are so opinionated on all topics you named, are ONLY opinionated on this website. Maybe they'll talk about it with their families, vote republican and sit and wait. But what im saying is the Christain demonstrators, the lobbyists, the Christian political figures and Christian business head figures, the loudest ones of our group, they're focusing way to much time on homosexuality. Like i said, the Ted Haggard thing happened, and Dobson said "Well lets get him un-gay" (COMPLETELY paraphrasing of course, but we heard nothing about how his wife was doing, save for a letter at New Life the next week. And why? We dont care.)

I think its admirable to speak so openly on these forums, and not everyone has the time or resources to reach out to the community. But the problem with forums like these is there are too many people who think alike here. So this becomes a breeding ground for "what we dont like about the world." And we need a place to vent, i just think it should be put into context. Where's the Battered Women's forum? Where's the Molested Childrens forum? I dont see these things here. People may be just as opinionated about other issues, but i dont see the fruits of that in the political arena. What i do see is "Ban Gay Marriage" "No Gay Rights" "No Abortion" "No Democrats"

Check out the US, World, and Strange News threads, I think you'll see that there are a host of topics which get generated there.

Maybe that is where you find these other kinds of discussions.

t.

[nebula]

As far as homosexuality is concerned, i think there are other things we need to focus on. Like abusive husbands, drug abuse, drunk driving. 12 year olds who play sex games at jr high school. Teen pregnancy. These are the things that i think we need to address more than homosexuality. These things can be fixed from the inside out. And Christian or not, all these things happen to humans.

I do not understand why you think these things are not getting focused on, thoughtful.

But we continue to engage in this battle because we are citizens of a government that is dictated around its citizens being involved in political issues. I don't' think becoming a Christian means we abdicate this responsibility.

[KeilanS]

Why? Other than it not being what your used to right now I am not sure what your basing that on.

What are they going to struggle with?

What happens when some little kid realizes they have a crush on a girl at school, but then realizes daddy likes men and can't talk to him about it? What about when all their friends are getting dropped off by their moms at school and talking about stuff they've done with their moms (or dads) and they realize they don't have one. It's every bit as damaging as kids growing up with single parents. It confuses them when they get old enough to start taking an interest in the other sex, it hurts them when they realize that their friends have two parents helping with different things and they only have one. It hurts them when they need advice that is usually the place of either the mom or dad to give and they don't have one to go to.

What are you basing this on? I did a search, there is nothing published in any medical journals to base this on. It doesn't even pass the reason test.

This may be startling, but their are actually facts that are not found in scientific/medical journals. I'm starting to think that if you couldn't find a scientific experiment proving the sky is blue you wouldn't believe it. It certainly passes the reason test, think about the homosexual act, there is blood and plenty of chances for blood transferred diseases. It's a well known fact that diseases usually show up in the male homosexual population first (Hepatitis B was found widely in this group, which is why it was mainly homosexuals involved in vaccine testing and AIDS was first noticed in the USA in the male homosexual population).

Now despite the fact that it is completely logical that AIDS would spread faster in the homosexual population, I will post a few links to back up my claim.

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/bates/050607

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jun/05060606.html

http://canadafreepress.com/2005/bates060805.htm

http://www.realwomenca.com/newsletter/2004.../article_1.html

http://www.policycounsel.org/18856/41063.h...session*id*val*